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Figured I would take a chance at the Chase Freedom Card. The 200 sign up bonus for 500 in purchases was too juicy to resist. End result was a denial. I got the 7-10 business day number, called the recon line. The analyst I got while nice, found a way to spin one fact into four different reasons for denial. Too many inquries was my problem, he spun it into the four below:
1. Too many inquiries.
2. Too many recent opened credit accounts.
3. Too many recent inquiries.
4. Not enough of an established payment history on new accounts.
Well shocker I guess. I mean with inquiries comes new lines of credit, with new lines of credit you haven't had the chance to prove payment history. One matter I will never understand, is why companies are so obsessed with credit inquiries for anyone. Inquiries need to be taken into account with other factors, by themselves there more or less meaningless. I welcome anyone to debate with me on this. I know statisitacally your 8x more likely to file bankruptcy with 6 or more inquiries on your credit report. However, I am willing to bet that there are clear distinctions within this group. I bet the ones who file bankruptcy already have maxed out cards, missed a few payments, etc. When increased inquiry activity is tied to multiple maxed out cards with poor payment history I understand the fear. However, when it is tied to 2% utilization and perfect repayment history, including with the same company I applied for... I don't think the statistic holds true. What do you guys think?
Having said that, the reason I thought I should be denied is that I already have enough credit extended to me then I know what to do with. I just have too much overlap in rewards, that I need to straighten out. I didn't even decide I wanted to say anything to the Chase analyst, as I figured if he found a way to stretch one minor problem into four, that was a clear indication Chase wanted nothing to do with me. Thoughts? Also does the Chase Freedom card frequently come up with this kind of sign up bonus? I'll probably end up reapplying for it in July, when some of my inquiries age off.
On a side note, has anyone recently recieved a 25 dollar starbucks gift card from Discover for free in the mail recently? I have the Discover It Chrome Student card if it makes a difference.
@Anonymous wrote:Figured I would take a chance at the Chase Freedom Card. The 200 sign up bonus for 500 in purchases was too juicy to resist. End result was a denial. I got the 7-10 business day number, called the recon line. The analyst I got while nice, found a way to spin one fact into four different reasons for denial. Too many inquries was my problem, he spun it into the four below:
1. Too many inquiries.
2. Too many recent opened credit accounts.
3. Too many recent inquiries.
4. Not enough of an established payment history on new accounts.
Well shocker I guess. I mean with inquiries comes new lines of credit, with new lines of credit you haven't had the chance to prove payment history. One matter I will never understand, is why companies are so obsessed with credit inquiries for anyone. Inquiries need to be taken into account with other factors, by themselves there more or less meaningless. I welcome anyone to debate with me on this. I know statisitacally your 8x more likely to file bankruptcy with 6 or more inquiries on your credit report. However, I am willing to bet that there are clear distinctions within this group. I bet the ones who file bankruptcy already have maxed out cards, missed a few payments, etc. When increased inquiry activity is tied to multiple maxed out cards with poor payment history I understand the fear. However, when it is tied to 2% utilization and perfect repayment history, including with the same company I applied for... I don't think the statistic holds true. What do you guys think?
Having said that, the reason I thought I should be denied is that I already have enough credit extended to me then I know what to do with. I just have too much overlap in rewards, that I need to straighten out. I didn't even decide I wanted to say anything to the Chase analyst, as I figured if he found a way to stretch one minor problem into four, that was a clear indication Chase wanted nothing to do with me. Thoughts? Also does the Chase Freedom card frequently come up with this kind of sign up bonus? I'll probably end up reapplying for it in July, when some of my inquiries age off.
On a side note, has anyone recently recieved a 25 dollar starbucks gift card from Discover for free in the mail recently? I have the Discover It Chrome Student card if it makes a difference.
Same thing happened to me. I was denied for my 2005 BK, reconned and was then denied for too many new accounts. I gave the Chase EO a call to see if they would re-review. I may post a new thread if I get anywhere with that.
sorry for your denial, I agree I feel like if an app was approved there should be no hard inquiry for it.
Actually that would work to. It's almost like you could achieve a better situation with Chase if you just got rejected by three other prime lenders. Since then you wouldn't have too many new accounts, and new accounts lacking in payment history. Granted 3 of my recent inquiries are irrelevant. One was a denial for the Better Balance Rewards card since I was deemed to have adequate credit with BOA. Second, was to move CL between old card to new card to get approved. Third, is because AMEX decided one hard pull for my card with them wasn't enough and decided to do a fourth for jolly good funa all on Experian
. All and all of those 4 inquiries the only net result was an AMEX BCP that I really like so far. Also, can someone explain the logic of why moving Credit Limits around results in any pull at all? Let alone a hard which I think is considerably wrong.
Curious to look into the study that broadly states that people with 6 inquiries are 8x more likely to file for bankruptcy.
@Anonymous wrote:Actually that would work to. It's almost like you could achieve a better situation with Chase if you just got rejected by three other prime lenders. Since then you wouldn't have too many new accounts, and new accounts lacking in payment history. Granted 3 of my recent inquiries are irrelevant. One was a denial for the Better Balance Rewards card since I was deemed to have adequate credit with BOA. Second, was to move CL between old card to new card to get approved. Third, is because AMEX decided one hard pull for my card with them wasn't enough and decided to do a fourth for jolly good funa all on Experian
. All and all of those 4 inquiries the only net result was an AMEX BCP that I really like so far. Also, can someone explain the logic of why moving Credit Limits around results in any pull at all? Let alone a hard which I think is considerably wrong.
Curious to look into the study that broadly states that people with 6 inquiries are 8x more likely to file for bankruptcy.
You may think it may be consideraibly wrong but the lender would assert otherwise. Their risk assessment for reallocating credit lines (or consolidating internal accounts) is basically part of their underwriting criteria and internal credit policies - things you can't change.
This allows them to review and determine (based on your overall credit picture) and other internal factors whether such reallocation is adequate or right-sized based on your overall exposure with them and if any risk flags are present (DTI fluctuations, elevated shifts in utilization, score deterioration, abnormal credit patterns, pyramiding debt, excessive new credit obligations or inquries, etc.). Citi and BoA are known to employ this HP practice while Chase can sometimes perform a similar review (via SP) if any internal or behavioral scoring flags mandates such requirement.
@Anonymous wrote:Figured I would take a chance at the Chase Freedom Card. The 200 sign up bonus for 500 in purchases was too juicy to resist. End result was a denial. I got the 7-10 business day number, called the recon line. The analyst I got while nice, found a way to spin one fact into four different reasons for denial. Too many inquries was my problem, he spun it into the four below:
1. Too many inquiries.
2. Too many recent opened credit accounts.
3. Too many recent inquiries.
4. Not enough of an established payment history on new accounts.
Well shocker I guess. I mean with inquiries comes new lines of credit, with new lines of credit you haven't had the chance to prove payment history. One matter I will never understand, is why companies are so obsessed with credit inquiries for anyone. Inquiries need to be taken into account with other factors, by themselves there more or less meaningless. I welcome anyone to debate with me on this. I know statisitacally your 8x more likely to file bankruptcy with 6 or more inquiries on your credit report. However, I am willing to bet that there are clear distinctions within this group. I bet the ones who file bankruptcy already have maxed out cards, missed a few payments, etc. When increased inquiry activity is tied to multiple maxed out cards with poor payment history I understand the fear. However, when it is tied to 2% utilization and perfect repayment history, including with the same company I applied for... I don't think the statistic holds true. What do you guys think?
Having said that, the reason I thought I should be denied is that I already have enough credit extended to me then I know what to do with. I just have too much overlap in rewards, that I need to straighten out. I didn't even decide I wanted to say anything to the Chase analyst, as I figured if he found a way to stretch one minor problem into four, that was a clear indication Chase wanted nothing to do with me. Thoughts? Also does the Chase Freedom card frequently come up with this kind of sign up bonus? I'll probably end up reapplying for it in July, when some of my inquiries age off.
On a side note, has anyone recently recieved a 25 dollar starbucks gift card from Discover for free in the mail recently? I have the Discover It Chrome Student card if it makes a difference.
Do you currently have a Chase card? And if so for how long? I've had my Chase southwest card for a little over a year now and when I applied for the Chase Marriott card they approved me with no question. They did do a double pull with EX and EQ and I had probably 5 inquires on EX alone from this year. I figured since they did a double pull I called back and asked for an increase on my southwest card and was approved also. Although the credit analyst said it would require another hard pull which turned out to be a lie.
Sorry to hear that. By any chance were you prequalified for the Freedom at their website? I ask, because many here think that is a lock to get approved.
Barclay's pulled the same thing on me for inquiries. Yada Yada Yada. Good Luck in the future
I am in a similiar situation. Recently applied for Chase Freedom hoping to take advantage of their intro offer. After removing the credit freeze and going through an enormous amount of questions and verification....I too was denied the Freedom card.
After discussing my situation with the rep.....one thing came to mind and it was the inquisition for sucha short history at my age. Regardless, the final review ended up being a decline for the following reasons:
The account balances were too high to the credit limits. This translates into a 43% utilization on my accounts only. Add in the AU accounts and the utilization drops to 16%.
However, Chase would not consider the AU credit factor even though I pay on all the accounts.
Thinking I should wait for the decline letter to arrive and then call the backdoor for recon.
I honestly think the key factor was the short history; as the oldest account reporting is 5 years and is an AU account on Capital One.
Any thoughts?
Has anyone else ran into a situation where Chase would not consider the over all credit file?
@slund5499 wrote:I am in a similiar situation. Recently applied for Chase Freedom hoping to take advantage of their intro offer. After removing the credit freeze and going through an enormous amount of questions and verification....I too was denied the Freedom card.
After discussing my situation with the rep.....one thing came to mind and it was the inquisition for sucha short history at my age. Regardless, the final review ended up being a decline for the following reasons:
The account balances were too high to the credit limits. This translates into a 43% utilization on my accounts only. Add in the AU accounts and the utilization drops to 16%.
However, Chase would not consider the AU credit factor even though I pay on all the accounts.
Thinking I should wait for the decline letter to arrive and then call the backdoor for recon.
I honestly think the key factor was the short history; as the oldest account reporting is 5 years and is an AU account on Capital One.
Any thoughts?
Has anyone else ran into a situation where Chase would not consider the over all credit file?
Chase is typically one of those lenders that excludes AU history when considering your overall credit profile. Thus, their algorithms would surely identify your individual utilization factors and not the "dilution" or "piggyback" benefit you would get through having the AU profile.