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I got rejected for the double cash this month despite having an 818 experian fico 8 score, no baddies on my report, 1% utilization, most recent card being opened 23 months ago, 80k yearly income. The reason they denied me was because I had an inquiry the previous day. That prior inquiry was my first in 23 months but I was rejected for just 1 recent inquiry. Is this normal?
I called the reconsideration line and a supervisor tried to override the denial but he said the system wasn't allowing him to do so. He said that right now citi is denying anyone with a recent inquiry but didn't specify how recent. He confirmed the denial was due to that one inquiry. I was denied for the double cash 2 years ago as well despite having an 800 credit score due to too many inquiries. This makes me very afraid to apply for a chase card as I'm afraid they'll do the same thing?
I remember reading a post here not too long ago actually about someone who had a similar experience with their Citi application. Seems to be a Citi situation though since there are a few datapoints that a poster on Doctor of Credit discovered a new inquiry rule. Apparently, being 3/6 (three inquiries in a six month span) is an auto rejection of your app with no recon possible. Now it seems like you're the first I've heard where even a single recent inquiry is a denial as well. Without more datapoints to see where the sweet spot is without triggering the 3/6 rule as well we can only guessitmate at this time
For Chase you shouldn't run into issues with that single inquiry reporting. Chase is more about the 5/24 life though on occasion one can still get passed it whether it has been Chase Amazon apps or getting the green/black checkmark if you are already a Chase customer. I wouldn't worry about having the same experience IMO
@simplynoir wrote:I remember reading a post here not too long ago actually about someone who had a similar experience with their Citi application. Seems to be a Citi situation though since there are a few datapoints that a poster on Doctor of Credit discovered a new inquiry rule. Apparently, being 3/6 (three inquiries in a six month span) is an auto rejection of your app with no recon possible. Now it seems like you're the first I've heard where even a single recent inquiry is a denial as well. Without more datapoints to see where the sweet spot is without triggering the 3/6 rule as well we can only guessitmate at this time
For Chase you shouldn't run into issues with that single inquiry reporting. Chase is more about the 5/24 life though on occasion one can still get passed it whether it has been Chase Amazon apps or getting the green/black checkmark if you are already a Chase customer. I wouldn't worry about having the same experience IMO
It was seriously that 1 inquiry that caused me to get denied. Given that I'm 0 for 2 on applying for citi cards it's pretty clear they don't want my business so I won't be applying for any citi cards for the foreseeable future.
So you're saying chase isn't that sensitive about recent inquiries and is mainly more about 5/24 which is only about how many accounts opened I'm the last 24 months rather than number of inquiries? Are most lenders as inquiry sensitive as citi?
No clue what Citi current inquiry rules are, but citi retail denied me a Best Buy card on their retail side although certainly more inquiries than yourself, but still I think like 5 or 6 in the last year and some of those were mortage inquiries on one CRA and scores were well in the 800's as well. Most lenders are more new account sensitive where-as Citi and believe US Bank are more inquiry sensitive. Crazy that 1 could get you a denial you can always go the EO route to have them review your case although might cost another HP.
Probably a rule like 1 inquiry in the last 30 or 90 days or something got the auto denial without inside knowledge we will never know as that DOC is one DP, but doesn't apply to you it appears and likely other sub factors that played out. Economy isn't doing so hot right now so the lending market is always evolving to mitigate risks, etc.
@CreditCuriosity wrote:No clue what Citi current inquiry rules are, but citi retail denied me a Best Buy card on their retail side although certainly more inquiries than yourself, but still I think like 5 or 6 in the last year and some of those were mortage inquiries on one CRA and scores were well in the 800's as well. Most lenders are more new account sensitive where-as Citi and believe US Bank are more inquiry sensitive. Crazy that 1 could get you a denial you can always go the EO route to have them review your case although might cost another HP.
Probably a rule like 1 inquiry in the last 30 or 90 days or something got the auto denial without inside knowledge we will never know as that DOC is one DP, but doesn't apply to you it appears and likely other sub factors that played out. Economy isn't doing so hot right now so the lending market is always evolving to mitigate risks, etc.
When I applied for it they still had the SUB but now that they've gotten rid of the SUB the card isn't worth getting for me since most my spend goes on cards that get me higher rates in those categories so it would take many years to come out ahead on a 2% card with no SUB compared to a 1.5% card with a $200 SUB. Why are citi and us bank so inquiry sensitive?
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@CreditCuriosity wrote:No clue what Citi current inquiry rules are, but citi retail denied me a Best Buy card on their retail side although certainly more inquiries than yourself, but still I think like 5 or 6 in the last year and some of those were mortage inquiries on one CRA and scores were well in the 800's as well. Most lenders are more new account sensitive where-as Citi and believe US Bank are more inquiry sensitive. Crazy that 1 could get you a denial you can always go the EO route to have them review your case although might cost another HP.
Probably a rule like 1 inquiry in the last 30 or 90 days or something got the auto denial without inside knowledge we will never know as that DOC is one DP, but doesn't apply to you it appears and likely other sub factors that played out. Economy isn't doing so hot right now so the lending market is always evolving to mitigate risks, etc.
When I applied for it they still had the SUB but now that they've gotten rid of the SUB the card isn't worth getting for me since most my spend goes on cards that get me higher rates in those categories so it would take many years to come out ahead on a 2% card with no SUB compared to a 1.5% card with a $200 SUB. Why are citi and us bank so inquiry sensitive?
OP that inquiry, was that for Citi card or other ones. Interesting, I wasn't outright denied(7-10 day message, I prefer getting the result fast, whether approved or denied
)
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@rgd51 wrote:
@CreditCuriosity wrote:No clue what Citi current inquiry rules are, but citi retail denied me a Best Buy card on their retail side although certainly more inquiries than yourself, but still I think like 5 or 6 in the last year and some of those were mortage inquiries on one CRA and scores were well in the 800's as well. Most lenders are more new account sensitive where-as Citi and believe US Bank are more inquiry sensitive. Crazy that 1 could get you a denial you can always go the EO route to have them review your case although might cost another HP.
Probably a rule like 1 inquiry in the last 30 or 90 days or something got the auto denial without inside knowledge we will never know as that DOC is one DP, but doesn't apply to you it appears and likely other sub factors that played out. Economy isn't doing so hot right now so the lending market is always evolving to mitigate risks, etc.
When I applied for it they still had the SUB but now that they've gotten rid of the SUB the card isn't worth getting for me since most my spend goes on cards that get me higher rates in those categories so it would take many years to come out ahead on a 2% card with no SUB compared to a 1.5% card with a $200 SUB. Why are citi and us bank so inquiry sensitive?
OP that inquiry, was that for Citi card or other ones. Interesting, I wasn't outright denied(7-10 day message, I prefer getting the result fast, whether approved or denied
)
The inquiry the previous day was for an Amex card. I've never seen a lender deny someone for 1 inquiry. I did open a best buy card with citi a couple years back but I closed it very soon after since I didn't like the card. Maybe they think I'm SUB chasing potentially.
@rgd51 wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
@rgd51 wrote:
@CreditCuriosity wrote:No clue what Citi current inquiry rules are, but citi retail denied me a Best Buy card on their retail side although certainly more inquiries than yourself, but still I think like 5 or 6 in the last year and some of those were mortage inquiries on one CRA and scores were well in the 800's as well. Most lenders are more new account sensitive where-as Citi and believe US Bank are more inquiry sensitive. Crazy that 1 could get you a denial you can always go the EO route to have them review your case although might cost another HP.
Probably a rule like 1 inquiry in the last 30 or 90 days or something got the auto denial without inside knowledge we will never know as that DOC is one DP, but doesn't apply to you it appears and likely other sub factors that played out. Economy isn't doing so hot right now so the lending market is always evolving to mitigate risks, etc.
When I applied for it they still had the SUB but now that they've gotten rid of the SUB the card isn't worth getting for me since most my spend goes on cards that get me higher rates in those categories so it would take many years to come out ahead on a 2% card with no SUB compared to a 1.5% card with a $200 SUB. Why are citi and us bank so inquiry sensitive?
OP that inquiry, was that for Citi card or other ones. Interesting, I wasn't outright denied(7-10 day message, I prefer getting the result fast, whether approved or denied
)
The inquiry the previous day was for an Amex card. I've never seen a lender deny someone for 1 inquiry. I did open a best buy card with citi a couple years back but I closed it very soon after since I didn't like the card. Maybe they think I'm SUB chasing potentially.
no if was on same CRA was likely the inquiry one day prior. As mentioned don't know their current rules other then possibly the 3/6 rule mentioned, but that one doesnt apply to you.
I wonder why a lender would be this inquiry sensitive. I get it if I had a lot of recent inquiries but 1 inquiry seems insane to me.
@rgd51 wrote:I wonder why a lender would be this inquiry sensitive. I get it if I had a lot of recent inquiries but 1 inquiry seems insane to me.
Best guess is that there's a trigger for a 7-14 day inquiry check - I'm guessing 7-14 days because any more than that and they might as well just say new applicants only - by the algorithm to go along with the recent 3/6 rule they have and if either doesn't pass it's auto-denied with no recon