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@Anonymous wrote:
@chiefone4u wrote:
Do you PIF before or after statement cuts? (Is your statement printing $495, $5 or $0? Exact not needed).... if your statement is always zero or always $495 the computer is most likely seeing no usage / no payment ($0 statement); or seeing insufficient payments to reduce debt (statement near max).
The above is purely theoretical, but fits with the reason codes I've seen and your denial and explanation.The CapOne computer knows how much OP is spending each month. The amount reported doesn't matter.
This is my main problem with CapOne starter cards - low limits that don't grow unless massive spending is put through the card, which in this case would require cycling the limit a couple times a month, all in the hope that one will get a piddly increase of a hundred bucks or so. It's lost on them that although their idea of a business plan is great to them - sell off the subprime debt and the customer can just take another triple pull for a "better" card...which still usually falls short of other lenders' cards available with fewer pulls - most who are credit-savvy see this as ridiculous and just move on. Obviously their customer base is still huge but it seems it could be even bigger if they looked at things another way.
Anyway, sorry to digress - if your card is bucketed, it'll likely never grow much beyond its steps CLI.
I am actually not convinced that their system uses any balance and not statement balance. There are some banks that do work like this (Target is a really good example) where people who cut $0 statements never get a CLI. I have seen this complaint of getting this reason for denial from Capital One often enough from people who pay before the statement cuts that it does make me wonder if the reason why starter cards never grow is because people don't let them report. My $300 card grew to $8250 and then got the SD treatment but I never actually paid before the statement cut unless I was paying multiple times a month like I had to do with the $300 limit but it never cut with a $0 balance since I had a roommate who went grocery shopping multiple times a week.
@Anonymous wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
@chiefone4u wrote:
Do you PIF before or after statement cuts? (Is your statement printing $495, $5 or $0? Exact not needed).... if your statement is always zero or always $495 the computer is most likely seeing no usage / no payment ($0 statement); or seeing insufficient payments to reduce debt (statement near max).
The above is purely theoretical, but fits with the reason codes I've seen and your denial and explanation.The CapOne computer knows how much OP is spending each month. The amount reported doesn't matter.
This is my main problem with CapOne starter cards - low limits that don't grow unless massive spending is put through the card, which in this case would require cycling the limit a couple times a month, all in the hope that one will get a piddly increase of a hundred bucks or so. It's lost on them that although their idea of a business plan is great to them - sell off the subprime debt and the customer can just take another triple pull for a "better" card...which still usually falls short of other lenders' cards available with fewer pulls - most who are credit-savvy see this as ridiculous and just move on. Obviously their customer base is still huge but it seems it could be even bigger if they looked at things another way.
Anyway, sorry to digress - if your card is bucketed, it'll likely never grow much beyond its steps CLI.
I am actually not convinced that their system uses any balance and not statement balance. There are some banks that do work like this (Target is a really good example) where people who cut $0 statements never get a CLI. I have seen this complaint of getting this reason for denial from Capital One often enough from people who pay before the statement cuts that it does make me wonder if the reason why starter cards never grow is because people don't let them report. My $300 card grew to $8250 and then got the SD treatment but I never actually paid before the statement cut unless I was paying multiple times a month like I had to do with the $300 limit but it never cut with a $0 balance since I had a roommate who went grocery shopping multiple times a week.
Interesting. On the other hand I've carried a balance on mine almost the whole time I've had it, approaching two years, and I've gotten exactly one increase after the steps, from $500 to $600. My reason codes are usage isn't enough, pAymebts aren't enough, and the like. I suppose it's possible that the hybrid of my experience and yours - use the heck out of it and pay it almost off, month after month - may be the way it takes to get increased.
That being said, I'll likely let mine idle and pursue the better rewards of Amex and Disco in my spending.
@Anonymous wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
@chiefone4u wrote:
Do you PIF before or after statement cuts? (Is your statement printing $495, $5 or $0? Exact not needed).... if your statement is always zero or always $495 the computer is most likely seeing no usage / no payment ($0 statement); or seeing insufficient payments to reduce debt (statement near max).
The above is purely theoretical, but fits with the reason codes I've seen and your denial and explanation.The CapOne computer knows how much OP is spending each month. The amount reported doesn't matter.
This is my main problem with CapOne starter cards - low limits that don't grow unless massive spending is put through the card, which in this case would require cycling the limit a couple times a month, all in the hope that one will get a piddly increase of a hundred bucks or so. It's lost on them that although their idea of a business plan is great to them - sell off the subprime debt and the customer can just take another triple pull for a "better" card...which still usually falls short of other lenders' cards available with fewer pulls - most who are credit-savvy see this as ridiculous and just move on. Obviously their customer base is still huge but it seems it could be even bigger if they looked at things another way.
Anyway, sorry to digress - if your card is bucketed, it'll likely never grow much beyond its steps CLI.
I am actually not convinced that their system uses any balance and not statement balance. There are some banks that do work like this (Target is a really good example) where people who cut $0 statements never get a CLI. I have seen this complaint of getting this reason for denial from Capital One often enough from people who pay before the statement cuts that it does make me wonder if the reason why starter cards never grow is because people don't let them report. My $300 card grew to $8250 and then got the SD treatment but I never actually paid before the statement cut unless I was paying multiple times a month like I had to do with the $300 limit but it never cut with a $0 balance since I had a roommate who went grocery shopping multiple times a week.
Interesting. On the other hand I've carried a balance on mine almost the whole time I've had it, approaching two years, and I've gotten exactly one increase after the steps, from $500 to $600. My reason codes are usage isn't enough, pAymebts aren't enough, and the like. I suppose it's possible that the hybrid of my experience and yours - use the heck out of it and pay it almost off, month after month - may be the way it takes to get increased.
That being said, I'll likely let mine idle and pursue the better rewards of Amex and Disco in my spending.
That part is why I think those of us here don't see Capital One cards grow. We get a bunch of other cards and Capital One no longer gets the bulk of our spending. My card undoubtedly grew because from 3/2014 til 11/2017 when I got my Ollo card, all of my credit was with Capital One (my QS and PlayStation cards). When 3/2018 came around, I went for AMEX BCE, Disco IT, and SSFCU cards and got those and then got a $2K CLI from Capital One to $8250 and then it got the SD treatment. I don't even bother asking them for a CLI now that they get a small charge here and there to keep the card alive.
I agree @Saeren, I remember you describing your card growth on that one, and that kind of highlights what I said before about the CapOne business model. It's very likely they'd capture a lot more market share if they didn't demand practically all of one's spend despite rewards that don't measure up to those other cards, just to hand out a miserly CLI. They want to be seen as a prime issuer with Savor and Venture but they're out of touch. I think many give up on them before reaching scores and profile stats that CapOne wants for those cards, mainly because by then they've moved on to Chase, Amex, Citi, BoA, etc. and the associated, better/bigger rewards and limits offered by those banks.
@Anonymous wrote:That part is why I think those of us here don't see Capital One cards grow. We get a bunch of other cards and Capital One no longer gets the bulk of our spending.
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Well they kinda ran me off. I was thrilled when I got my Savor, ran heavy, heavy spend through it...received a $500 cli. Dh, nothing on his Venture or QS so yep, a bunch of other cards is what's happening.
DS just got a $1200 auto cli today from capone on his Plat. He needs to pc to QS but idk if he will. He doesn't care. Funny how when you don't care the time speeds by; for me I'm like, "Come ON already!" and start app'ing for bigger limit cards.
Btw, I've thought the same as you and let my cards report high balances and then pif'd and all it got me was score drops. So Idk if it's too late now that I have other cards and CapOne is blah with me but I'll try one last time with heavy usage and then SD.
They are just as confusing as Discover. (to me anyway) GOOD LUCK OP!
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This is why when the QS1 ads start popping up I don't get the warm and fuzzy. I have the Platinum already which I'm almost 100% sure will be square in the bucket category. So are 2 buckets better than 1? QS1 is a sub card as well. Since Cap1 only allows 2 cards at a time I would have to play the PC / wait 6 months game with them. And if that wasnt bad enough I have to relent to a triple HP beatdown to upgrade out of the bucket category with a new app for the QS or Savor. It wouldnt be so bad if they would offer CLI's in the normal and customary ranges.