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@Curious_George2 wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:CapOne recently tripled my limit. I have been using my card to the limit and paying it off several times each month. I asked for this same limit some months ago and was given the low monthly spend denial, then asked again for the same and got $100. When the limit was increased, I was nearly at my limit. I actually went into the account to pay it off and saw my CLI and was shocked.
Edit: I forgot to mention, this was quite interesting.
You got a 3x CLI out of Capital One recently? That's amazing! Congratulations!
What was your limit before and after?
Thanks for sharing the detail about your balance being high when you made the successful request. I wonder if that's a way to nudge them to give more?
Thanks, I Started with 1.1k and they put me to 3.1k, so not quite tripled it but nearly. I think you're right about the being at the limit being a factor. I was approaching a year with that card but was at least 6 weeks out.
@Curious_George2 wrote:
@AverageJoesCredit wrote:Very interesting research. Still doesnt explain how or why the give cli
. At end of the day , no matter the denial reasons , its almost like Discover in that theres no rhyme or reason to who gets what. At least wirh Discover, you might get a good cli. Dont get that feeling with Cap One. Im not one for over analyzing credit cards but my experience with Cap One via Walmart definetly would not give me urge to app any other Cap One card, even if i could
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I agree with you up to a point. I can't find any pattern in their automatic CLIs. But the vanilla ones (core product, prompted by customer request, no PC, not credit steps) do seem to follow a pattern.
Their denial letters seem truthful, though sometimes a little cryptic. When all those issues get resolved, they say yes. But as for the amount, for now they are giving most people either 10% (rounded down to a multiple of $100) or a flat $100, whichever is greater.
Im still blown away on hiw they give people on $100 increases. Im not the richest guy on the planet, pretty poor actually, but theres not alot one can do with a $100 even spending it in a store or a grocery store. At least give people usable limits. If they screw the pooch and pay late or derog, yeah, show them hunskies but its sad that even heavy spendrs are rewarded with $100 increases.
On a different note i lol at my recent Amex cli denial. Main reason was low Fico score, 714.....followed by 4 other reasons that only a true MFer could love and reason out
No question, most of the increases they are giving now are paltry. I wonder if 10%/$100 is the lowest they can go without turning off CLIs altogether. 🧐Did they have a meeting to debate whether to try 5%/$50? 😂
Looking at this from a glass-half-full perspective however... puny increases are easier to turn down, and that provides more opportunities for curious people like me to test the algorithm. If they were more generous, I would swipe right to accept and pause my research for six months.
If they offer me anything less than $900 this time around I will decline it and keep the lab open. 👨🔬
@Curious_George2 wrote:I have spent a lot of time this year testing what it takes to get a CLI from Capital One. Many people say it's simple: very high spend. That's pretty good general advice, but I wanted to get more specific. Spend how much? Must the high balances report? Does anything else matter?
My many denials and one CLI have allowed me to determine, with differing degrees of precision, what triggered various denial reasons in my case. Below is a summary of those findings. I hope other people will chime in with their findings about these or any other denial reasons. I'm going to break this into several small posts, so people can respond to individual reasons without quoting one huge post.
I believe one way to get a cli from Cap1 is to NOT be me. I've received each of those listed denial reasons the two times I requested a cli.
I have a secured Cap1 that they said they are not unsecuring any in the near future (secured ones don't qualify for cli) and I have a QS1 that is now 2 years 3 months and received one cli after 6 months. I requested a cli after one year and again at two years with the sorry not yet replies and standard denial reasons.
My other 11 cards have all received either auto cli (some twice) or approved when requested. All cards either 2 years or approaching 2 years.
I hit the luv button today. I had predicted they would offer me $400. The result:
So, yeah, it looks like they currently have a strong preference for offering around 10%. After taking another look at the recent Approvals, I see the rounding is more nuanced than the simple "round down" rule I had previously speculated. Regardless, I hit the very handy "Not Now" button.
Some additional DPs: Scores are around 775, though EQ5, which I have heard they use, is closer to 730. My spend in each of the last three statement periods was around $2,100 (more than 50% of my limit). My balance peaked a few weeks ago at 96% of my limit. My latest statement balance, which was also my current balance at the time of the request, was 28% of CL. It probably goes saying, but everything about my account and my profile complies with the rules I postulated at the top of this thread.
My short-term plan is to run the balance up to 70% and request again to see if they offer more. Then pay it down to zero and see if that changes the offer at all. I don't expect either action to make any difference, but we'll see!
I carried a 80% balance for 24 months, then paid it in full Aug 2020 and tried....denied. I waited until their SP showed up and tried again. $750 my line was $7750 so I took it, looks like I got a hair less than 10%. I was just so happy it was more than $100.
I haven't used the card much since the increase - cable or utility here, grocery trip there. Maybe I'll use it for Christmas shopping and try again end of March...I just wanted to get it to 10k; paying the 19.99% makes me not want to carry a balance.
I changed my mind. I really want to get the limit on this card up to a level that is somewhat close to my other cards, and that requires jumping on CLIs as aggressively as I can. I'm not confident anything I do will entice them to raise their offer at this time. Also, the testing I had in mind would have required me to accelerate some spending more than I'm comfortable with. So I requested a CLI again, got the same $400 offer (not surprising, nothing much changed) but this time I took it. I will post it in Approvals.
Regarding amounts, here is my best guess at their standard offers right now when they grant a cardholder's request for a CLI.
If your limit is this | Your likely CLI amount |
$1600 or lower, not in Credit Steps | $100 |
$1601 to $2500 | $200 |
$2501 to $3500 | $300 |
$3501 to $4500 | $400 |
$4501 to $7000? | $500 |
$7001? to $9000? | $750 |
$9001? to $12,000 | $1000 |
I recently received an automatic bump from $10K to $13K on Savor which I fully wasn't expecting. I'm suspecting they looked back through the spend that went through the card during this calendar year and noticed I'd had it over 50% at one time and PIF within the same statement. This along with a few transactions in the $3K-4K range and PIF those as well. Carried a $3K balance over a couple months when I was being cautious with cash surplus due to job uncertaintly, but PIF once I found out I was on firm ground with my employer. CLI happened while my DD who is an AU was using it in Las Vegas for shopping and entertainment. (She spent around $1400 over there and that's now PIF'd) Fico 08's have been steady in the 760-770 range on all 3. No baddies/no lates anywhere.
It definitely takes effort to get a useful CLI from Cap One. Those large purchases were for my ex wife who was having Paypal issues buying vinyl for her home business. I told her to PP me and just use my DD's card (who was with her at the time). Cap One didn't even blink at the $5600 purchase, nor any of the others where we did the same thing. I'm fairly certain without those transactions, I'd still be at $10K.
@Curious_George2 wrote:
Regarding amounts, here is my best guess at their standard offers right now when they grant a cardholder's request for a CLI.
If your limit is this Your likely CLI amount $1600 or lower, not in Credit Steps $100 $1601 to $2500 $200 $2501 to $3500 $300 $3501 to $4500 $400 $4501 to $7000? $500 $7001? to $9000? $750 $9001? to $12,000 $1000
Really? Man, those are weak. Probably about the lowest percentage wise relative to current limit that I've seen.
My only experience was on my Cap One starter card from back in 2015. $3000 SL, CLI to $3500, then CLI to $4000 where it stalled for over a year. I was able to bypass the automated system (online and phone) and get the EO to do a manual review over the phone and got the card bumped from $4k to $10k via SP. That's where the card sits today and I've made no further CLI attempts.
@ChargedUp: Your huge auto CLI from them was awesome and a true outlier. For those of us who can't put 100%+ spend on our cards for a couple months, auto CLIs from Capital One these days seem very unlikely. I excluded the automatic ones from my analysis when looking through the Approvals from the last few months. I also excluded Credit Steps and one strange (but great!) CLI that came bundled with a PC.