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Thin Credit looking for feedback on application plan

Hello all,

First, thank you for the wealth of information on this forum. I found this forum searching info about the Apple Card and was amused to fall down the rabbit hole of that long thread. This is a voluminous resource.

My situation:
My credit file is thin. The shorter version is that I had credit cards years ago (AMEX green rewards then gold, a Visa Platinum from my CU and an AMEX Blue Cash at one point for a business), they were paid as agreed and closed in 2008. I got married Q4 '07 and wife and I started marching out of debt. We were following Dave Ramsey at the time, hence the closed accounts. We had student loans that we aggresively worked to pay off and did in Q1 2011. My identity was stolen Q2 2011 and well, that was fun. Kinda solidified the "I want little to do with credit, I'll be fine with having money in hand/investments" perspective.

In 2017 we had our third child and were in the market for a minivan. Previous car purchases were paid cash, we determined to get a slightly newer vehicle (2014 model). That's when we found out our lack of credit score made us reasonably radioactive. Needless to say the same CU gave us an auto loan, but not before ignorance led us to let a car dealer HP credit to see other financing options. Those options were declined for lack of a score, but we have the van.

With that as background, the van (first financed in 2017) is nearly 70% paid off. At the rate we're going, January is the goal month. I applied for an Apple Card last month and was approved for $4k at 23.99%. As mentioned elsewhere on the forum, it hasn't reported. I also applied for the Costco Citi card and was declined. The rejection letter reported a FICO Bankcard 8 score of 722 from Equifax (I thought they were going to pull Experian—I assume it was the bankcard score because the range they listed went up to 900; the BC8 score is 721 today). The inquiries from the auto loan search fell off last month, so the only two inquiries on my report are from Goldman Sachs and Citi (on TU and EQ respectively).

I am looking to apply for a Visa Cash Rewards card through my credit union. The CU will pull Experian for the CC app. If asked I would not seek more than $5k as the card would just be for funneling expenses through instead of using debit cards and paying off to just below 9% by time the statement cuts. That would add a revolver to my credit since the Apple Card is not yet reporting, and would make for two revolvers if/when it does start reporting. I am not sure if the CU card will report to all bureaus. The card I had with them years ago only appeared to report to EQ and EX. The auto loan reports to all three.

As of today my Fico 8 scores are EQ 755 TU 757 and EX 752. The Apple Card was approved with a TU 709 score.

The only other thing I've been considering is taking out a personal loan with the CU for $6k to finance a replacement workstation for my photography business. I would do this probably before year end (waiting to see what changes, if any are announced around the 15" Macbook Pro this month). All things being equal, I could save and pay cash for this, but I figured it would make for a continued installment payment following the minivan payoff. I wouldn't seek terms longer than 2 years on that, and would basically be fighting every urge to pay it off early. If I did give into that urge, I guess I'd look into a SelfLender loan to round the credit mix out.

Beyond these considerations, I'd be aging things since that seems to be the element affecting my score the most (age of accounts and lack of revolving accounts).

My goal is to strengthen my score in service to future plans of purchasing property to use for rental income.

Is there anything problematic with this plan?
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Re: Thin Credit looking for feedback on application plan

Nothing wrong really.

 

Installment loans add 20-30 points for having them.

 

Citi did use a bankcard score.

 

SSL/PL.... either would fillthe void but, a mortgage also works.

 

750's for scores puts you in prime territory to pick up a few good cards and/or refi the car for a lower rate if you want to drag out the paymetns instead of opting for the SSL/PL option.  Getting a refi for 2-5% on the card is a lot lower than a PL which will start at 7% or higher.  I got an offer for a PL through Amex and it's a flat 8.98% but, the other day one popped up on BBVA when I was checking my accounts with them and it was on a scale from 6%-11% for 12-72 months.... 6-7% though for 12-36 months.

 

If I picked up on everyhting in the post your only credit items right now are the CC + Car Loan?

 

I would concentrate on picking up 2-4 more CC's to round things out for a CC foundation and make those scores work for you in the form of SUB's (bonus for new accounts + spend in the first 3 months)

 

Next I would figure out the timing on the vehicle.... either refi and drag the payments out through the CU... they might even be able to "recast" the loan for a small fee instead of doing a new loan altogether.  Then you can keep the loan / age / etc. and only take a HP to convert it to a longer term / lower rate.

 

If you decide to get a newer vehicle your scores would get you premium dealer financing with scores over 740... some delaers min are 720 though.  Depends on the financing offers at the time of shopping / signing the paperwork.  I picked up 2.9% back in 2014 through a dealer instead of my normal shopping rates and bringing a blank check from a CU.  If you're going USED though just bring your own financing and skip the dealer pull.

 

For the CC's knowing where your typical spend is and how much would be helpful for picking out some cards that might work better than others.

 

For the photo portion of it.... I built my own system for a whole lot less than 6K with more power and performance than you'll ever get off the shelf.  I'm running a I7-8700K w/ 5 drives in a RAID 10 configuration + other goodies like combinging the NAS/Router/WIFI/DVR and other stuff into it.  I went a little overboard on specs and changed my mind on a few features over time but, I can always sell the spare parts like the Graphics cards, mobo, case, cables, fans, etc.  The main goal was to drop from 5-6 devices and power usage into a single box that handles everything.  If I decided to go fiber for internet I can just pick up a 10GB fiber card for $100 vs renting or buying the proper router for $$$$.

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@Anonymous wrote:

Nothing wrong really.

 

Installment loans add 20-30 points for having them.

 

Citi did use a bankcard score.

 

SSL/PL.... either would fillthe void but, a mortgage also works.


Duly noted. The loan would be just to fill that space in the credit mix if we do it. Next goal is building up savings and beefing up retirement.

 


750's for scores puts you in prime territory to pick up a few good cards and/or refi the car for a lower rate if you want to drag out the paymetns instead of opting for the SSL/PL option.  Getting a refi for 2-5% on the card is a lot lower than a PL which will start at 7% or higher.  I got an offer for a PL through Amex and it's a flat 8.98% but, the other day one popped up on BBVA when I was checking my accounts with them and it was on a scale from 6%-11% for 12-72 months.... 6-7% though for 12-36 months.

The CU isn't offering any refi options. The note originated at 7.99% but at about six months in they gave us a rate modification (FICO score was north of 725 I think at the time), so it's at 4.865% now. The interest rate situation is the other part of why I would likely consider paying that loan off ahead of schedule. The hope was to have the payment low enough that it didn't really interfere with other financial goal progress.

 


If I picked up on everyhting in the post your only credit items right now are the CC + Car Loan?

 

I would concentrate on picking up 2-4 more CC's to round things out for a CC foundation and make those scores work for you in the form of SUB's (bonus for new accounts + spend in the first 3 months)

 

Next I would figure out the timing on the vehicle.... either refi and drag the payments out through the CU... they might even be able to "recast" the loan for a small fee instead of doing a new loan altogether.  Then you can keep the loan / age / etc. and only take a HP to convert it to a longer term / lower rate.

On my credit report, the only things that show are the installment loan for the car, and EQ and EX show the closed CC account I previously had (with the same CU). That CC account doesn't show on the TU history, so the ding there is a combination of no revolvers and shorter credit history.

 

My thinking re timing is that any drop in scores for applying for the CC and the loan would be buffeted when the car is paid off. The balance there is under $8k and the present projection is to payoff by January 2020. That money and the additional principal payments is then to be funneled into building out an emergency fund and more active funding of retirement accounts. The CU hasn't been pretty firm with no refi—if I could've gotten the payment to 1/2 or a 1/3 of what it was, I might have entertained dragging it out. As it is, I wouldn't try to use another mechanism to pay it off because I really like how the payments are managed now (just account to account transfer that posts immediately). 

 


If you decide to get a newer vehicle your scores would get you premium dealer financing with scores over 740... some delaers min are 720 though.  Depends on the financing offers at the time of shopping / signing the paperwork.  I picked up 2.9% back in 2014 through a dealer instead of my normal shopping rates and bringing a blank check from a CU.  If you're going USED though just bring your own financing and skip the dealer pull.

If anything now, it'd be developing a pile of money improve upon whatever terms we were offered when that's a discussion. This was the first car note I've had in nearly four decades of life. I didn't/do not care for that monthly payment at all. It was basically like buying an Apple Watch every month. We brought our own financing with the CU last time, but succumbed to the curiousity of the dealer pull attempting to go up one trim level. Won't happen next time.

 


For the CC's knowing where your typical spend is and how much would be helpful for picking out some cards that might work better than others.

 

For the photo portion of it.... I built my own system for a whole lot less than 6K with more power and performance than you'll ever get off the shelf.  I'm running a I7-8700K w/ 5 drives in a RAID 10 configuration + other goodies like combinging the NAS/Router/WIFI/DVR and other stuff into it.  I went a little overboard on specs and changed my mind on a few features over time but, I can always sell the spare parts like the Graphics cards, mobo, case, cables, fans, etc.  The main goal was to drop from 5-6 devices and power usage into a single box that handles everything.  If I decided to go fiber for internet I can just pick up a 10GB fiber card for $100 vs renting or buying the proper router for $$$$.


Monthly spending is just under $6k/monthly on average. On the photo side, I'm effectively replacing a 10-year old Mac Pro (cheese grater) and a 2011 Macbook Air with one laptop. That $6k is inclusive of the computer (15" MBP i9, 32GB memory, 2TB SSD, 4GB video card, the upgrades marked up obviously because, Apple and no aftermarket upgrade option), some software and tethering accessories, and a Synology enclosure and drives for backups. The only thing I think I'd feel a way about is taking that long to pay for a computer. If I know any better, that loan gets paid off within 18 months, and I play the SL game to keep the mix afloat, or when I need the scores to matter.

 

My concern otherwise was just getting cards with limits that were usable (nothing will be spent that can't be paid in full), and whether I was likely to get denied. I think if I went for a 3rd card, it'd probably be some kind of travel rewards-oriented card. As it is, cash back will work reasonably fine for now.

 

Thanks for the feedback Obscure-Expert!

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Re: Thin Credit looking for feedback on application plan

Not having a payment is always nice..... however if it's not significant in P&I then just drag it out at ~4% for the time being and bump cash into a good checking account that earns at least 2.5%.  I use a Kasasa account with a CU that just simply requires using bill pay 1 time per month and 15 debit swipes for $5/ea to earn the higher rate.  The cap is 50K balances for the higher rate which is nice compared to some of the higher APY's out there capping out anywhere from $1K-$10K. https://www.depositaccounts.com/checking/reward-checking-accounts.html  Go compare some account options and find the right fit.  Don't worry about the membership qualifications so much as there are a ton of ways around most of the restrictions if you ask around or look hard enough.

 

Well, at least they did a rate reduction of 3%... makes a difference.  Refi's / recasts sometimes aren't an option but, the Fixed rate card I have with a CU would do rate reductions when I asked them to when bouncing down the APR profile cutoffs for scores.  Started somewhere in the middle of the APR range and got them down to 6.9% Fixed eventually after some work on the credit for a couple of years.  It's a basic card though when it comes to perks but, it's the rate and $0 BT that keeps it hanging around for the long term.

 

Some CU's have issues with reporting to TU and I have one of those as well through JFCU.  They just don't want to pay them and report to EQ/EX like clockwork.  They're easy to get into and have a CC for 11.9% that's been pretty stable over the last 5 years....it used to be 9.9% though before they decided to raise the rates for the first time ever.

 

$6K/mo spending is worth looking into to max some rewards with a PIF strategy on CC's.  There's a page around here somewhere where you can input your spend categories and it will spit back the best card options.  

 

For the photo upgrades though.... That could easily turn into a couple of bonuses to pay for a portion of the equipment across 2-3 new cards.  I picked up a few cards when I was building my machine explicitly for that purpose and knocked off several hundred in the process just from the spend I was planning on anyway.  Supplementing the costs with technology via new cards works well.

 

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kudosalert
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Re: Thin Credit looking for feedback on application plan

you would probably qualify for a card with a decent CL. instead of a loan i would look for a card with a 12 or 15 month interest free offer. that way you can get your work station and a decent sub w/ a card instead of a loan. like other ppl mention, 6k is enough to satisfy the minimum spends on at least 2 or 3 cards. but honestly, i would choose one and make sure you pay it off within the introductory period of 12 months or so.if you are just starting out and having issues generating revenue then you can even do the balance transfer route. 

 

so app for card with interetest free intro offer. wait 10 months. app for card with low balance transfer fees and interest free intro offer. that way you can get almost 2 years worth of interest free funds to get your workstation and make some money to pay it off. 



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