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+16 points going from 4 to 3 inqs, alert came 2 days after inq hit one year

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haulingthescoreup
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+16 points going from 4 to 3 inqs, alert came 2 days after inq hit one year

So this probably ought to be over on Understanding FICO Scoring, or maybe General Credit Topics, but I read a post a few days ago asking about when your scores change when an inq hits 1 year.

 

Also, this might cheer up some of those going nuts with boredom in the Garden. Smiley Happy

 

So anyway, until two days ago, I had 4 inqs under one year on Equifax. Two were the result of genuine apps (Navy and Chase Southwest VISA), one was due to me trying for a CLI online for Home Depot (Citi), grumble, grumble, and one was completely bogus from PenFed when I had trouble with a pre-approval and called for help. (snarl) Scores plunged 16 points when the last one (PenFed) hit.

 

Saturday 4/14 was the one-year anniversary of my inq from Navy. Since I have Credit Watch Gold, and I never really know what provokes Scorewatch into action, I pulled a free report that day. (No score with that service.)

 

To my amazement, I got an alert today that my EQ had jumped 16 points. The ONLY thing that has happened was the inq hitting one year Saturday. Despite obsessive monitoring, there were no score changes from the -16 when the PenFed inq hit to the +16 today, with Navy no longer counting.

 

So, a couple of things:

 

  • At least for me, the inq stopped counting when it hit its one-year birthday, not at the end of the month.
  • And having four inqs instead of three can most definitely have a significant score impact for those in certain buckets. In my case, it's 22 years total history, 6 (I think) years AAoA, 1 30 day still reporting from 8/2005, no significant derogs. Revolving util is under 5%.

As always YMMV.

* Credit is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master. * Who's the boss --you or your credit?
FICO's: EQ 781 - TU 793 - EX 779 (from PSECU) - Done credit hunting; having fun with credit gardening. - EQ 590 on 5/14/2007
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Anonymous
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Re: +16 points going from 4 to 3 inqs, alert came 2 days after inq hit one year

It's pretty difficult for people to accept that a ton of inquiries aren't a good thing, score-wise.

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webhopper
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Re: +16 points going from 4 to 3 inqs, alert came 2 days after inq hit one year

I did not realize it until I lost my mortgage approval with the DU system and had to reapply for a 20 yr mortgage because the underwriting software for approvals had changed from the initial CR they pulled. My scores dropped 20 or so point because of inquiries and I had to do some major shuffling to get them back up into approval range. That's why.I encourage borderline applicants in the mortgage forum to wait until their.scores are higher than they need to be!
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Revelate
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Re: +16 points going from 4 to 3 inqs, alert came 2 days after inq hit one year


@Anonymous wrote:

It's pretty difficult for people to accept that a ton of inquiries aren't a good thing, score-wise.


I think it's more that many folks either don't care, or care too much.  It's graduated, 0, 1, 2-3, 4-7ish? Something like that for tiered bucketing on inquiries, and the amount of damage (or healing in this case) is probably dependant on what strata of credit score your at anyway (if not outright specific bucket).

 

Hauling, when was the Penfed inquiry?  Recent or was it older which might make the line-item comparison a little sloppy?  Thank you for sharing though, interesting stuff.

 




        
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frogfan12
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Re: +16 points going from 4 to 3 inqs, alert came 2 days after inq hit one year

Hauling, do you know the impact that an inquiry falling off has on a score? I have at least two inquiries set to fall off in September and October of this year. They were from when I rented my last apartment. 


Starting Score: 760
Current Score: 716 Equifax 754 TU 736 Experian
Goal Score: 760
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Anonymous
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Re: +16 points going from 4 to 3 inqs, alert came 2 days after inq hit one year

People always say 'Inquiries don't factor into FICO scores after one year' but has anyone ever gotten a bump as they age off at the two year mark? I wasn't really watching too carefully in the past and don't know. I have one falling off TU in May and will try remembering to look and post about it.

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Anonymous
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Re: +16 points going from 4 to 3 inqs, alert came 2 days after inq hit one year

I highly doubt this was due to going from 4 to 3  inquiries. I had like 10 inquiries on each CBR and I was monitoring my FICO on EQ and TU as they passed the one year mark one by one until I was left with just 2 on each report, and never noticed this big of a jump. Could it be that you hit the 7 year AAOA landmark?

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haulingthescoreup
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Re: +16 points going from 4 to 3 inqs, alert came 2 days after inq hit one year


@Revelate wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

It's pretty difficult for people to accept that a ton of inquiries aren't a good thing, score-wise.


I think it's more that many folks either don't care, or care too much.  It's graduated, 0, 1, 2-3, 4-7ish? Something like that for tiered bucketing on inquiries, and the amount of damage (or healing in this case) is probably dependant on what strata of credit score your at anyway (if not outright specific bucket).

 

Hauling, when was the Penfed inquiry?  Recent or was it older which might make the line-item comparison a little sloppy?  Thank you for sharing though, interesting stuff.

 


PenFed was the most recent inquiry. It hit in December, when I lost the 16 points.

 

From the full EQ report:

 

Inquiries that may impact your credit rating

These inquires are made by companies with whom you have applied for a loan or credit.

Name of CompanyDate of Inquiry
CHASE BANK USA N.A 
Show Details
08/27/11
THE HOME DEPOT/CBSD 
Show Details
07/04/11
NAVY FEDERAL CREDIT UNION 
Show Details
04/14/11
PENTAGON FCU  
Show Details
12/07/11
* Credit is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master. * Who's the boss --you or your credit?
FICO's: EQ 781 - TU 793 - EX 779 (from PSECU) - Done credit hunting; having fun with credit gardening. - EQ 590 on 5/14/2007
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haulingthescoreup
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Re: +16 points going from 4 to 3 inqs, alert came 2 days after inq hit one year


@frogfan12 wrote:

Hauling, do you know the impact that an inquiry falling off has on a score? I have at least two inquiries set to fall off in September and October of this year. They were from when I rented my last apartment. 


As I wrote, YMMV (your mileage may vary.) In other words, it can be all over the map.

 

For most people, it's 3-5 points max. But in some situations, as in mine, it can be far, far more.

 

It also depends on how many inqs you have before they fall off, and how many after. (You only look at the inqs on one report, not all three combined.)

 

For instance, usually (I emphasize, usually) the first inq on a given report doesn't affect your scores. (The new account might, though.) But then the second would. The third might not, and then the fourth would.

 

They generally run out of gas around 5-6, so if you have 12 inqs on one report over the last year, then hey, one more won't hurt. Smiley Very Happy

 

Which report has the inqs, and how many will be left on that report when these two fall off?

* Credit is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master. * Who's the boss --you or your credit?
FICO's: EQ 781 - TU 793 - EX 779 (from PSECU) - Done credit hunting; having fun with credit gardening. - EQ 590 on 5/14/2007
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haulingthescoreup
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Re: +16 points going from 4 to 3 inqs, alert came 2 days after inq hit one year


@Anonymous wrote:

People always say 'Inquiries don't factor into FICO scores after one year' but has anyone ever gotten a bump as they age off at the two year mark? I wasn't really watching too carefully in the past and don't know. I have one falling off TU in May and will try remembering to look and post about it.


Nope, doesn't happen, at least not for FICO scoring.

 

The formula only looks at inqs within the last year. FWIW (not much), I've never noticed anything happening when one leaves the report for good after two years.

 

No telling how FAKO scores might count them, though.

 

And of course, lenders might have an issue, even if the score isn't affected.

* Credit is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master. * Who's the boss --you or your credit?
FICO's: EQ 781 - TU 793 - EX 779 (from PSECU) - Done credit hunting; having fun with credit gardening. - EQ 590 on 5/14/2007
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