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increasingmyfico
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AMEX Credit Card portfolio

I find AMEX Everyday points cards to be rather lackluster. I wish they had a mr card with a similar structure to the BCP. Looking to pool points annually for a nice trip. That could be done with just the charge cards, but I would like a third player as a catch all. 1 point on most transactions is terrible. The grocery benefit on the Everyday Preferred is outdone by the Gold. No wonder people seem to gravitate to the Chase setup. Amex has some holes in its lineup. 


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AverageJoesCredit
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Re: AMEX Credit Card portfolio


@increasingmyfico wrote:

I find AMEX Everyday points cards to be rather lackluster. I wish they had a mr card with a similar structure to the BCP. Looking to pool points annually for a nice trip. That could be done with just the charge cards, but I would like a third player as a catch all. 1 point on most transactions is terrible. The grocery benefit on the Everyday Preferred is outdone by the Gold. No wonder people seem to gravitate to the Chase setup. Amex has some holes in its lineup. 


If Chase works better for your needs you should go with Chase.   To get another Amex just to make a filler card that might not work for you doesnt make sense. 

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wasCB14
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Re: AMEX Credit Card portfolio


@increasingmyfico wrote:

I find AMEX Everyday points cards to be rather lackluster. I wish they had a mr card with a similar structure to the BCP. Looking to pool points annually for a nice trip. That could be done with just the charge cards, but I would like a third player as a catch all. 1 point on most transactions is terrible. The grocery benefit on the Everyday Preferred is outdone by the Gold. No wonder people seem to gravitate to the Chase setup. Amex has some holes in its lineup. 


If you reach the 30 transactions with EDP, you get 1.5x on most spend and 4.5x at supermarkets.

 

That said, once I finish my re-upgrade spend on EDP I'm going to be SDing it until it's time to re-downgrade. BCP is already there from a Nov/Dec upgrade.

 

One underrated thing about ED/EDP and BCE/BCP is you can play upgrade/downgrade games and get bonuses over and over without creating any new accounts.

Personal spend: Amex Gold, Amex Schwab Plat., BofA PR+CCR(x2), Costco
Business use: Amex Bus. Plat., BBP, Lowes Amex AU, CFU AU
Perks: Delta Plat., United Explorer, IHG49, Hyatt, "Old SPG"
Mostly SD: Freedom Flex, Freedom, Arrival
Upgrade/Downgrade games: ED, BCE
SUB chasing: AA Platinum Select
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increasingmyfico
Regular Contributor

Re: AMEX Credit Card portfolio


@wasCB14 wrote:

@increasingmyfico wrote:

I find AMEX Everyday points cards to be rather lackluster. I wish they had a mr card with a similar structure to the BCP. Looking to pool points annually for a nice trip. That could be done with just the charge cards, but I would like a third player as a catch all. 1 point on most transactions is terrible. The grocery benefit on the Everyday Preferred is outdone by the Gold. No wonder people seem to gravitate to the Chase setup. Amex has some holes in its lineup. 


If you reach the 30 transactions with EDP, you get 1.5x on most spend and 4.5x at supermarkets.

 

That said, once I finish my re-upgrade spend on EDP I'm going to be SDing it until it's time to re-downgrade. BCP is already there from a Nov/Dec upgrade.

 

One underrated thing about ED/EDP and BCE/BCP is you can play upgrade/downgrade games and get bonuses over and over without creating any new accounts.


 


I actually overlooked that. 30 is a lot but that might be a good play. A consumer version of the BBP would also be good. Thanks for the tip.


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TheBoondocks
Established Contributor

Re: AMEX Credit Card portfolio

Yeah I find it that Chase cards are more attractive when it comes to the SUB and multipliers, I was looking at the marriott card and it's so much better than the amex marriott biz card, I often times see chase gives more spending offers than amex. I feel like amex is just to save on stuff, sometimes they give targeted offers but not all the time. I heard chase is really good when it comes to biz too and amex not so much, but I would choose chase and cap1 over amex I feel like. 

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Aim_High
Super Contributor

Re: AMEX Credit Card portfolio


@increasingmyfico wrote:

I find AMEX points cards to be rather lackluster. I wish they had a mr card with a similar structure to the BCP. Looking to pool points annually for a nice trip. That could be done with just the charge cards, but I would like a third player as a catch all. 1 point on most transactions is terrible. The grocery benefit on the Everyday Preferred is outdone by the Gold. No wonder people seem to gravitate to the Chase setup. Amex has some holes in its lineup. 


I have a few suggestions, @increasingmyfico. One thing I notice about your profile is that you have the BCP and the Gold card. An experienced AMEX forum member once advised me that with AMEX, it's best to stick with either cash back or MRs instead of dividing spend between both. The BCP is earning 6% on groceries but the Gold's 4x MRs can be worth 8% or more if you can redeem for 2 ccp with a higher $25K cap. 

The Everyday Preferred is the MR-point equivalent to the Blue Cash Preferred. It earns 3x MRs on $6K groceries similar to the BCP's 6% cash on $6K groceries. The EDP's 3x MRs are worth 6% if you can redeem for 2 ccp. @wasCB14 made a great point also about the bonus on this card with frequent swipes. 

A great uncategorized spend card for MR earning is the Blue Business Plus which earns 2x MRs on up to $50K annually. I believe I've read that AMEX isn't picky about personal charges on their business cards. 

Your statement that 1 MR as a base is terrible was telling.   It is ... if you are redeeming for cash, gift cards, or through the AMEX travel portal for 1 ccp or less.  If you aren't getting 1.5 or higher cpp earning with AMEX, you might be better off with Chase URs, the US Bank Altitude Reserve, or cash back at 2% or higher. 


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notmyrealname23
Established Contributor

Re: AMEX Credit Card portfolio

There is 0% chance AMEX is going to do a 6x MR card for groceries/streaming, 3x gas/transit with an AF of $95, even with groceries capped. They would be cutting their own throats on the Gold and EDP card.

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wasCB14
Super Contributor

Re: AMEX Credit Card portfolio


@Aim_High wrote:

@increasingmyfico wrote:

I find AMEX points cards to be rather lackluster. I wish they had a mr card with a similar structure to the BCP. Looking to pool points annually for a nice trip. That could be done with just the charge cards, but I would like a third player as a catch all. 1 point on most transactions is terrible. The grocery benefit on the Everyday Preferred is outdone by the Gold. No wonder people seem to gravitate to the Chase setup. Amex has some holes in its lineup. 


I have a few suggestions, @increasingmyfico. One thing I notice about your profile is that you have the BCP and the Gold card. An experienced AMEX forum member once advised me that with AMEX, it's best to stick with either cash back or MRs instead of dividing spend between both. The BCP is earning 6% on groceries but the Gold's 4x MRs can be worth 8% or more if you can redeem for 2 ccp with a higher $25K cap. 

The Everyday Preferred is the MR-point equivalent to the Blue Cash Preferred. It earns 3x MRs on $6K groceries similar to the BCP's 6% cash on $6K groceries. The EDP's 3x MRs are worth 6% if you can redeem for 2 ccp. @wasCB14 made a great point also about the bonus on this card with frequent swipes. 

A great uncategorized spend card for MR earning is the Blue Business Plus which earns 2x MRs on up to $50K annually. I believe I've read that AMEX isn't picky about personal charges on their business cards. 

Your statement that 1 MR as a base is terrible was telling.   It is ... if you are redeeming for cash, gift cards, or through the AMEX travel portal for 1 ccp or less.  If you aren't getting 1.5 or higher cpp earning with AMEX, you might be better off with Chase URs, the US Bank Altitude Reserve, or cash back at 2% or higher. 


True, Amex has not objected to my putting personal spend on BBP.

 

Still, for the sake of my own recordkeeping, I tend to only use BBP for a small number of transactions (albeit sometimes large in dollar value). And I do use it for my fairly modest accounting work-related expenses.

Personal spend: Amex Gold, Amex Schwab Plat., BofA PR+CCR(x2), Costco
Business use: Amex Bus. Plat., BBP, Lowes Amex AU, CFU AU
Perks: Delta Plat., United Explorer, IHG49, Hyatt, "Old SPG"
Mostly SD: Freedom Flex, Freedom, Arrival
Upgrade/Downgrade games: ED, BCE
SUB chasing: AA Platinum Select
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notmyrealname23
Established Contributor

Re: AMEX Credit Card portfolio

Yeah, I don't really have a plausible excuse for a business, and my biggest category of non-bonuses spend is awkward to use with an AMEX without paying fees that nuke the benefit of 2x MR, so the BBP is a no sale for me (and I'm transitioning to a nonfecta of VentureX, SavorOne and AMEX Green).

Charles Schwab AMEX Platinum NPSL | Amex Platinum (I know) NPSL | Amex Gold NPSL | First Tech FCU Choice Rewards World MC 35k | AMEX Marriott Bonvoy Brilliant 18k | AMEX Hilton Aspire 17.5k | Chase Southwest Priority Visa 15.5k | Bilt Rewards MC 14k | Capital One Venture X 13k | Fidelity VISA Signature 11.5k | Citi Custom Cash 11.9k | Citi Premier 8.9k | Chase Freedom Unlimited 9k | SoFi MC World Elite 8k | Barclays AAdvantage Aviator Red 8k | Capital One SavorOne 7.5k | Amazon/Synchrony 7.5k | Citi Custom Cash 6.9k | PayPal Synchrony MC 6.4k | DiscoverIt Cashback 5k | Hotels.com 5k | Apple Card 3k | Target 800 | Ch 13 filed 12/13 discharged as paid 1/19
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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: AMEX Credit Card portfolio


@increasingmyfico wrote:

I find AMEX Everyday points cards to be rather lackluster. I wish they had a mr card with a similar structure to the BCP. Looking to pool points annually for a nice trip. That could be done with just the charge cards, but I would like a third player as a catch all. 1 point on most transactions is terrible. The grocery benefit on the Everyday Preferred is outdone by the Gold. No wonder people seem to gravitate to the Chase setup. Amex has some holes in its lineup. 


Well, AMEX Gold does have grocery year round, so if your grocery store codes correctly, that's better than Chase, where you only get grocery one quarter. If you get the EDP, then use that for all non-restaurant, non-grocery, non-airline charges. The AF on the EDP takes out much of the added value from the potential 1.5 points. Typically when overall spend categories are measured, it's often very close, among the points families, about how many points one can earn. 

 

If you want to switch to Chase, that's going to take a few well-planned apps to shift over there, but it may make you happier longer term?

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