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PDXoriginal
Regular Contributor

Re: AMEX Financial Review Debacle

I am siding with AMEX on this one!

 

New customer with THREE new accounts right off the bat. And not even one month in, making frequent payments. Of course they are going to keep a close watch. The OP likes to talk loyalty and perfect payment ability, BUT that can't be established in only ONE month, that takes several months of perfect payment history. While the returned payment was the coup de gras, I have no doubt a FR would have happened any way based on other people's experiences of opening several cards in a short time and triggers such as making multiple payments.

 

AMEX was only protecting itself and rightfuly so.

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jawbrkr
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Re: AMEX Financial Review Debacle

Holy freaking hell. I went through this thread and all i see are people bashing the op. I understand all the blah blah about op opening new cards and being overseas and what not. But sweet jesus cut the op some slack. The merchant is the reason this happened, not the op. When the op called Amex to find out what happened, the customer service rep *should* have been a little more professional. Afterall, they are the voice of Amex and speak for the company when you call them. Ok, so an FR was triggered, but as a CSR you can still be professional while trying to explain and request information. I understand that we are at the mercy of these card issuers but not everyone out there is trying to pull a fast one. Sometimes stupid stuff happens....merchants have card readers that may not be reading properly and have to repeatedly swipe. How the hell does Amex expect a member, who is overseas, to issue tax forms right there and then? Its not like we carry tax forms around all the time. There has to be a better way than to just leaving someone stranded, whether they are carrying other credit cards or not. 



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JoeLuvsHisCredit
Valued Contributor

Re: AMEX Financial Review Debacle

All I want to say I am sorry and say Hello to everybody Smiley Happy

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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: AMEX Financial Review Debacle


@jawbrkr wrote:

Holy freaking hell. I went through this thread and all i see are people bashing the op. I understand all the blah blah about op opening new cards and being overseas and what not. But sweet jesus cut the op some slack. The merchant is the reason this happened, not the op. When the op called Amex to find out what happened, the customer service rep *should* have been a little more professional. Afterall, they are the voice of Amex and speak for the company when you call them. Ok, so an FR was triggered, but as a CSR you can still be professional while trying to explain and request information. I understand that we are at the mercy of these card issuers but not everyone out there is trying to pull a fast one. Sometimes stupid stuff happens....merchants have card readers that may not be reading properly and have to repeatedly swipe. How the hell does Amex expect a member, who is overseas, to issue tax forms right there and then? Its not like we carry tax forms around all the time. There has to be a better way than to just leaving someone stranded, whether they are carrying other credit cards or not. 


I, and I am certain most others are not intending to bash the OP. The point of many of the comments is to try to expand on the situation because there are at least three sides to this story; the OP, AMEX, and the overactive merchant. 

True, it is unfortunate the cards were shut off pending the conversation with the CSR, but at that point, OP needs to take ownership of the situation to catch AMEX up to the truth, in a professional manner. Refusing to provide the 4506-T is a blocking issue to resolving this easily. 

 

It is not the OP's fault that all these things happened, but it is the OP responsibility to take the steps to try to resolve them.

 

OP is free to close, or allow to be closed, the accounts, but it is important to separate that decision from the information request AMEX was offering to a potentially long term customer to try to work through the issues and keep the accounts open.

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Anonymous
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Re: AMEX Financial Review Debacle


@jawbrkr wrote:

Holy freaking hell. I went through this thread and all i see are people bashing the op. I understand all the blah blah about op opening new cards and being overseas and what not. But sweet jesus cut the op some slack. The merchant is the reason this happened, not the op. When the op called Amex to find out what happened, the customer service rep *should* have been a little more professional. Afterall, they are the voice of Amex and speak for the company when you call them. Ok, so an FR was triggered, but as a CSR you can still be professional while trying to explain and request information. I understand that we are at the mercy of these card issuers but not everyone out there is trying to pull a fast one. Sometimes stupid stuff happens....merchants have card readers that may not be reading properly and have to repeatedly swipe. How the hell does Amex expect a member, who is overseas, to issue tax forms right there and then? Its not like we carry tax forms around all the time. There has to be a better way than to just leaving someone stranded, whether they are carrying other credit cards or not. 


A side issue to your point, but Amex doesn't want you to fax the tax forms, they need to get them directly from the IRS.  So what they need is the 4506-T (which of course no-one carries with them).   At least in some situations (for income verification for CLIs) Amex gives a way to fill this out online (requiring internet access), otherwise you would need access to the internet and printer/fax, which while certainly inconvenient, isn't impossible in many areas of the world

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Anonymous
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Re: AMEX Financial Review Debacle

Jawbreaker - your comment is reasonable, BUT assumes a certain level of prefessionalism form the OP. It seems more than possible to me, based on the behavior in this forum so far, that the OP could have been less than courteous to the CSR rep, which could have caused an adverse reaction etc etc...
Message 36 of 46
jawbrkr
Established Contributor

Re: AMEX Financial Review Debacle

You both make fair points that the Op may or may not have been less than professional, we have no idea. If that happened to any one of us, I can't imagine mainting a perfect composure. We all know how frustrated we get when a card is declined at the grocery store. Imagine being on vacation overseas. Side note to the comments about Op opening 3 accounts in a month and spending up to $7000 in that month possibly triggering the freeze? I dont see the big deal if Op was making payments. I may not know how Amex works but I doubt that would be the issue. If that was the case why not just deny one or two of those approvals as opposed to approving the 3 cards and then making a fuss about the spend.



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Message 37 of 46
Anonymous
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Re: AMEX Financial Review Debacle

The returned payment is obviously the direct cause here. The rest are contributing or potentially contributing factors. Who knows what else was left out. When the thread was started, there were no other factors. Someone asked, OP said "nothing. Perfect payment history" - then said "...except for the returned payment [in my first month of membership]"

The simple fact is, upset or not (anyone and everyone would be upset whether they know or think it's their fault or not) the behavior by Amex was predictable and the cause of their behavior was he behavior of the cardholder, not some cruel ant crusher at Amex.

The appropriate response is "what can I do to make this right and make you comfortable Amex?" - not "how dare you people treat me like this. I've been a loyal and reliable customer forever"

No one takes any issue with the OP being upset. That's natural and reasonable (even when taking into consider that OPs actions directly caused the issue). We (or I do anyway) sympathize with the OP up until the point of indignation. At that point, I lose all sympathy and understanding.
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sjt
Senior Contributor

Re: AMEX Financial Review Debacle

I understand the OP fustration. To get FR'd while on vacation, dealing with a rude CSR, and not given a reason for the FR is totally fustrating. That being said, the OP needs to take their emotions out of the situation and figure out the next steps. An FR is much better then an outright closure.

 

If it were me, I would comply with the request AND write a letter to the EO requesting the reason for the FR and letting them know their experience in dealing with the FR.

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happypill
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Re: AMEX Financial Review Debacle

The obvious (and justified) reason for the FR is the returned payment.  Despite the OPs repeated insistance that he/she is an exemplary and valued customer (of one month), a returned payment will trigger AA from just about any lender around.  Don't know if the fradulent merchant behavior was a factor as well, but the returned payment is enough.

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