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IncrsCreditScore1
Valued Contributor

Re: AUTO PAY Question

I do not like auto pay for the very reasons listed above.  We got burned really badly one time with auto pay and decided we would never do auto pay again.  And, we never have and never intend to do so.

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Message 11 of 20
Anonymous
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Re: AUTO PAY Question


@UncleB wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@Gmood1 wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

A lot of mixed answer. Reason why im so shaky about setting up auto pay lol. 


Lol...allowing the lender to autopay is the safest bet. Relying on memory, you are bound to eventually forget. I've seen so many members here upset because they missed a payment. Not because they couldn't pay it, but because they honestly forgot. A 50 point hit and 2 plus years of anguish for trying to micromanage a couple of extra points, just isn't worth the trouble IMO. You have nothing to be shaky over. Let those folks take their money. If they screw it up..it's on them.


Very true. I'll set auto pay for the minium payment on the final due date. I always pay earlier, but ill keep that there as back up. Hope it doesnt deduct payment twice lol........


This is actually what I'm considering myself.

 

I've never done auto-pay before (I like to manually control my payments) but the more I think about it, there's little to lose by setting up auto-pay for a minimum payment amount.  I figure the worst-case scenario is that I PIF and the auto-pay still takes out a $35 minimum payment, which I can simply charge against the following month.

 

It's not 'perfect' but it's good for peace of mind, especially for those of us who don't have anybody to take care of things should something unexpected happen (accident, sickness, etc.).


Exactly. My OCD would go bonkers If I paid in full yet the auto pay still kicks in. Constantly getting the extra credit will make me go crazy lol. 

Message 12 of 20
Anonymous
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Re: AUTO PAY Question


@UncleB wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@Gmood1 wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

A lot of mixed answer. Reason why im so shaky about setting up auto pay lol. 


Lol...allowing the lender to autopay is the safest bet. Relying on memory, you are bound to eventually forget. I've seen so many members here upset because they missed a payment. Not because they couldn't pay it, but because they honestly forgot. A 50 point hit and 2 plus years of anguish for trying to micromanage a couple of extra points, just isn't worth the trouble IMO. You have nothing to be shaky over. Let those folks take their money. If they screw it up..it's on them.


Very true. I'll set auto pay for the minium payment on the final due date. I always pay earlier, but ill keep that there as back up. Hope it doesnt deduct payment twice lol........


This is actually what I'm considering myself.

 

I've never done auto-pay before (I like to manually control my payments) but the more I think about it, there's little to lose by setting up auto-pay for a minimum payment amount.  I figure the worst-case scenario is that I PIF and the auto-pay still takes out a $35 minimum payment, which I can simply charge against the following month.

 

It's not 'perfect' but it's good for peace of mind, especially for those of us who don't have anybody to take care of things should something unexpected happen (accident, sickness, etc.).


This is reason I need to consider auto pay but I'm confused on how this works. Is everyone using the cc site to setup auto pay or the bank? I would also like to set up auto pay for my cell phone and utility bills but I'm afraid I might get overcharged and several hundred would be taken out instead of $50.

Message 13 of 20
UncleB
Credit Mentor

Re: AUTO PAY Question


@Anonymous wrote:

@UncleB wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@Gmood1 wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

A lot of mixed answer. Reason why im so shaky about setting up auto pay lol. 


Lol...allowing the lender to autopay is the safest bet. Relying on memory, you are bound to eventually forget. I've seen so many members here upset because they missed a payment. Not because they couldn't pay it, but because they honestly forgot. A 50 point hit and 2 plus years of anguish for trying to micromanage a couple of extra points, just isn't worth the trouble IMO. You have nothing to be shaky over. Let those folks take their money. If they screw it up..it's on them.


Very true. I'll set auto pay for the minium payment on the final due date. I always pay earlier, but ill keep that there as back up. Hope it doesnt deduct payment twice lol........


This is actually what I'm considering myself.

 

I've never done auto-pay before (I like to manually control my payments) but the more I think about it, there's little to lose by setting up auto-pay for a minimum payment amount.  I figure the worst-case scenario is that I PIF and the auto-pay still takes out a $35 minimum payment, which I can simply charge against the following month.

 

It's not 'perfect' but it's good for peace of mind, especially for those of us who don't have anybody to take care of things should something unexpected happen (accident, sickness, etc.).


This is reason I need to consider auto pay but I'm confused on how this works. Is everyone using the cc site to setup auto pay or the bank? I would also like to set up auto pay for my cell phone and utility bills but I'm afraid I might get overcharged and several hundred would be taken out instead of $50.


You could actually use either your own bank's bill pay or the credit card issuer's site. 

 

Ideally if you use the credit card's site the autopay would "auto-cancel" if there was no balance due (i.e. you have already PIF that month) but it varies from lender to lender how that's handled.  On the other hand you can set up an auto-pay in your bank's bill pay and simply cancel it when you do the manual PIF that month (and if you forgot or something happened, the auto-pay would take care of the minimum).  Of course this would mean you would need to 'guesstimate' what your minimum payment would be for a given balance, while if you did it from the credit card site it would automatically default to the minimum amount.

 

I share your concern about allowing companies to pull from the bank without intervention; years ago I had a DSL provider hit my checking account for $400+ (should have been $50-ish).  I called and they immediately saw the error - and corrected it - however it took until the next billing period (nearly an entire month!) for them to send my money back.  At that time I wasn't too long out of BK, and it caused a true hardship. 

 

I now have overdraft and a savings cushion, but I'm still very hesitant to let anybody pull from my bank account.  Burn me once, so to speak.  I have relaxed enough to allowed Amex and Discover to do ACH pulls but it's not auto, I must manually send it each month (so far, so good).

Message 14 of 20
Anonymous
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Re: AUTO PAY Question

My 'a-ha' moment about autopay was when I discovered Rewards Checking Accounts, after which I went all statement balance autopay and never thought about going back.

 

For the longest time I had been resisting autopay because of the risk of overdraft.  I was keeping all my savings in a savings account, and managing my checking account to zero, since it didn't earn any interest.  Why would I want to be carrying money in checking that wasn't earning any interest?  I'd carefully move money between my checking and savings to keep most of my money earning interest, while having only enough in checking to cover outstanding checks and other pending outflows.  Paying my credit card bills manually allowed me to more carefully manage timing of those large outflows.

 

But rewards checking allows me to keep a significant balance earning even higher interest than any savings account on a large enough balance to make it practically impossible to overdraft.  Right now I have a $10k balance in checking earning 5% APR.  All of my autopays (45 of them) come out of that account.  So instead of managing my checking account to $0, I'm managing it to $10,000.  If I fail to account for an upcoming autopay and it causes my account to fall below the $10k, it's no big deal.  It just means that for that small amount of money I'm not earning 5% interest for a couple of days, until I rectify the situation by transferring from savings to get the balance back up to $10k.  Now, if I actually overdrafted by $10k, then I've got a much much bigger problem to worry about.

 

The RCA has additional benefits as well.  If I do write a large check to someone and I don't know how long it will float (e.g., I once had a $4,000 check to a car dealer remain uncashed for a month and a half), I don't have to let that money be sitting in a no-interest checking account earning 0%; I can simply wait until it clears and then immediately transfer the money over from savings to cover it.  Also, for example, most RCA's waive outside ATM fees.

 

To the OP's question, in my experience, most issuers have moved to a policy where they will adjust autopayments so that they don't result in a credit balance as a result of manual payments (which I often do make) or other credits (returns, promos, etc.) during the cycle.  If I do end up with an overpayment, I don't sweat it; I just call customer service and request them to send me a check.  Sure, I'll have lost deposit interest for a couple of days, but no biggie.  But I can't remember the last time that's happened because of an autopayment.

 

Chris.

Message 15 of 20
Gmood1
Super Contributor

Re: AUTO PAY Question


@Anonymous wrote:

My 'a-ha' moment about autopay was when I discovered Rewards Checking Accounts, after which I went all statement balance autopay and never thought about going back.

 

For the longest time I had been resisting autopay because of the risk of overdraft.  I was keeping all my savings in a savings account, and managing my checking account to zero, since it didn't earn any interest.  Why would I want to be carrying money in checking that wasn't earning any interest?  I'd carefully move money between my checking and savings to keep most of my money earning interest, while having only enough in checking to cover outstanding checks and other pending outflows.  Paying my credit card bills manually allowed me to more carefully manage timing of those large outflows.

 

But now, rewards checking allows me to keep a significant balance earning even higher interest than any savings account on a large enough balance to make it practically impossible to overdraft.  Right now I have a $10k balance in checking earning 5% APR.  All of my autopays (45 of them) come out of that account.  So instead of managing my checking account to $0, I'm managing it to $10,000.  If I fail to account for an upcoming autopay and it causes by account to fall below the $10k, it's no big deal.  It just means that for that small amount of money I'm not earning 5% interest for a couple of days, until I rectify the situation by transferring from savings to get the balance back up to $10k.  Now, if I actually overdrafted by $10k, then I've got a much much bigger problem to worry about.

 

The RCA has additional benefits as well.  If I do write a large check to someone and I don't know how long it will float (e.g., I once had a $4,000 check to a car dealer remain uncashed for a month and a half), I don't have to let that money be sitting in a no-interest checking account earning 0%; I can simply wait until it clears and then immediately transfer the money over from savings to cover it.  Also, most RCA's waive outside ATM fees.

 

To the OP's question, in my experience, most issuers have moved to a policy where they will adjust autopayments so that they don't result in a credit balance as a result of manual payments (which I often do make) or other credits (returns, promos, etc.) during the cycle.  If I do end up with an overpayment, I don't sweat it; I just call customer service and request them to send me a check.  Sure, I'll have lost deposit interest for a couple of days, but no biggie.  But I can't remember the last time that's happened because of an autopayment.

 

Chris.


I do almost exactly the same thing. My main checking where the majority of these autopays draft from, earns more interest then any of my savings accounts.

Message 16 of 20
delaney1
Established Contributor

Re: AUTO PAY Question

I autopay minimum only on both Cap One accounts and Chase. For The Cap Ones, I pay the statement balance before the autopay kicks in. And just cancel the autopsy. I have had a couple of times when I forgot to cancel the autopay, no biggie, the piece of mind is worth it. Since Chase doesn't initiate autopay for a zero balance I've never seen it in use as that account is completely paid off every month manually. I would never autopay the statement balance.Nope, nope, nope.

Message 17 of 20
IncrsCreditScore1
Valued Contributor

Re: AUTO PAY Question

As far as "forgettitng" to make a payment, that is prevented in my case.  We have set up automatic reminders to remind us to pay each bill (credit card, electricity, water, etc.) so that there is no way we can forget.  We have total control.  When the reminder gives us a poke, we go to our bank on-line, and set up a payment via bill-pay.  IMO it is much better tan auto-pay.  That is just me, though.  Everyone has their favorite way to conduct their financial business.

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Message 18 of 20
Gmood1
Super Contributor

Re: AUTO PAY Question


@IncrsCreditScore wrote:

As far as "forgettitng" to make a payment, that is prevented in my case.  We have set up automatic reminders to remind us to pay each bill (credit card, electricity, water, etc.) so that there is no way we can forget.  We have total control.  When the reminder gives us a poke, we go to our bank on-line, and set up a payment via bill-pay.  IMO it is much better tan auto-pay.  That is just me, though.  Everyone has their favorite way to conduct their financial business.


Yup ..I have each lender send me a reminder that the bill is due in a set number of days..though its just a heads up so I know they are going to draft that account. Either way you do it..you are still paying them. lol

Message 19 of 20
UncleB
Credit Mentor

Re: AUTO PAY Question


@IncrsCreditScore wrote:

As far as "forgettitng" to make a payment, that is prevented in my case.  We have set up automatic reminders to remind us to pay each bill (credit card, electricity, water, etc.) so that there is no way we can forget.  We have total control.  When the reminder gives us a poke, we go to our bank on-line, and set up a payment via bill-pay.  IMO it is much better tan auto-pay.  That is just me, though.  Everyone has their favorite way to conduct their financial business.


This is what I currently have, and I really like it.  Smiley Happy

 

The only reason I would consider some type of auto-pay for the minimum is in the event something happens (accident, sickness, etc.) and I physically can't get to a computer to make the payment.  For those of us who are single and who don't have somebody to take care of those things it's nice to have a backup in place, kind of like insurance.  It would make a bad situation even worse to wake up in a hospital just to realize that the good credit I've worked so hard on has been trashed by no fault of my own.

 

I also like to think if I'm somewhat prepared that might decrease the chances of me ever having to use it... things seem to work that way with me (i.e. when I'm ready for something it never happens, when I'm not ready it usually does happen... LOL).  Smiley Very Happy

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