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Anonymous
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Re: Advice on credit actions to take before end of 2014


@Anonymous wrote:


Actually, my current mortgage is from Wells Fargo, a company I have no other relationship with (except it looks like one of my mortgages from a long time ago was also sold to them).

 

AFAIK, and here I may be wong, the big banks weren't ever involved in my mortgage decision, that was the loan officer from the institution involved.  The loans are then packaged, making sure that they meet the required standards, and sold on the secondary market, one of mine wasn't sold for several months (and went to Citi) so don't see how they could be involved at decision time.

 

I also got my mortgage via an internet broker, and the APR was 1% lower (2.875 rather than 3.875 and up) than the big banks were offering at the time.   Big banks often have bad savings rates, bad loan rates, and lots of fees.   I have an old BoA account, all my other stuff is from internet banks.   And getting "big lending" hasn't seemed to be a problem.

 

So how has your strategy helped you?


Its like this you may get insurance directly from the company or from a retailer
a lot of times you get it cheaper from reailer because they negotiated deal with the company
loan officer will package your loan app and get it sold to the higest bidder
Big banks are involved in the process
I'm not saying its a deciding factor for them that you currently have business (having checkingand savings account doesn't count)
but it certainly is a factor


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Anonymous
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Re: Advice on credit actions to take before end of 2014


@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:


Actually, my current mortgage is from Wells Fargo, a company I have no other relationship with (except it looks like one of my mortgages from a long time ago was also sold to them).

 

AFAIK, and here I may be wong, the big banks weren't ever involved in my mortgage decision, that was the loan officer from the institution involved.  The loans are then packaged, making sure that they meet the required standards, and sold on the secondary market, one of mine wasn't sold for several months (and went to Citi) so don't see how they could be involved at decision time.

 

I also got my mortgage via an internet broker, and the APR was 1% lower (2.875 rather than 3.875 and up) than the big banks were offering at the time.   Big banks often have bad savings rates, bad loan rates, and lots of fees.   I have an old BoA account, all my other stuff is from internet banks.   And getting "big lending" hasn't seemed to be a problem.

 

So how has your strategy helped you?


Its like this you may get insurance directly from the company or from a retailer
a lot of times you get it cheaper from reailer because they negotiated deal with the company
loan officer will package your loan app and get it sold to the higest bidder
Big banks are involved in the process
I'm not saying its a deciding factor for them that you currently have business (having checkingand savings account doesn't count)
but it certainly is a factor



OK, I still am not quite sure of one of your statements:

 

"When top 4 bank loan officers looks at your report"

 

The critical question for me is when does that happen, before or after the loan is approved?   My understanding is that is at the secondary market phase, once the loan has closed and is really between the loan originator and the bank purchaser.  (In one case, Citi asked the originator for more info on the loan document, and the originator came back to me and asked, but that was several months after the loan had closed, and really related to whether Citi would buy the mortgage or not).

 

So not wanting to attack a fellow vegan, but I think the strong statements you are making are not really as true as you suggest.

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Anonymous
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Re: Advice on credit actions to take before end of 2014


@Anonymous wrote:



OK, I still am not quite sure of one of your statements:

 

"When top 4 bank loan officers looks at your report"

 

The critical question for me is when does that happen, before or after the loan is approved?   My understanding is that is at the secondary market phase, once the loan has closed and is really between the loan originator and the bank purchaser.  (In one case, Citi asked the originator for more info on the loan document, and the originator came back to me and asked, but that was several months after the loan had closed, and really related to whether Citi would buy the mortgage or not).

 

So not wanting to hit on a fellow vegan, but I think the strong statements you are making are not really as true as you suggest.


Smiley Wink Its ok
My sister's Job at her local/medium bank is Putting the Loan app together and getting it sold to the higest bidder
the loan is not approved by medium bank she is just a middle man
her customers are paying my sisters bank and thinks loan came from them but it actually isn't

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red259
Super Contributor

Re: Advice on credit actions to take before end of 2014


@NRB525 wrote:

 

I don't have any Chase Sapphire, Preferred or otherwise, but comments elsewhere lead me to believe there is only the CSP, no CS anymore. So might be worth some research. I would guess closing the CSP would, yes, remove any annual bonus you might earn after that.

 

 


I looked on the chase website and don't see the non-AF chase sapphire listed. Are downgrades from the CSP gone now? This is not something I had anticipated and I will have to think about my strategy now.How long does a chase card nee to be open before I can my credit line over to a different card? Maybe I can move the credit line over to my freedom. 

 

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Starting Score: EQ: 714, TU 684
Current Score: EQ: 725 7/30/13, TU 684 6/2013, Exp 828 5/2018, Last App 8/5/17
Goal Score: 800 (Achieved!) In garden until Sepetember 2019
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Anonymous
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Re: Advice on credit actions to take before end of 2014


@red259 wrote:

@NRB525 wrote:

 

I don't have any Chase Sapphire, Preferred or otherwise, but comments elsewhere lead me to believe there is only the CSP, no CS anymore. So might be worth some research. I would guess closing the CSP would, yes, remove any annual bonus you might earn after that.

 

 


I looked on the chase website and don't see the non-AF chase sapphire listed. Are downgrades from the CSP gone now? This is not something I had anticipated and I will have to think about my strategy now.How long does a chase card nee to be open before I can my credit line over to a different card? Maybe I can move the credit line over to my freedom. 

 


RIght, the plain CS disappeared from the website about a month ago (and for a while before that was only on the CSP page as a link).   At least one report here of someone still being able to downgrade after it went from the website, but of course no guarantee that that will stay possible.

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red259
Super Contributor

Re: Advice on credit actions to take before end of 2014


@Anonymous wrote:

@red259 wrote:

@NRB525 wrote:

 

I don't have any Chase Sapphire, Preferred or otherwise, but comments elsewhere lead me to believe there is only the CSP, no CS anymore. So might be worth some research. I would guess closing the CSP would, yes, remove any annual bonus you might earn after that.

 

 


I looked on the chase website and don't see the non-AF chase sapphire listed. Are downgrades from the CSP gone now? This is not something I had anticipated and I will have to think about my strategy now.How long does a chase card nee to be open before I can my credit line over to a different card? Maybe I can move the credit line over to my freedom. 

 


RIght, the plain CS disappeared from the website about a month ago (and for a while before that was only on the CSP page as a link).   At least one report here of someone still being able to downgrade after it went from the website, but of course no guarantee that that will stay possible.


Does chase pro-rate the AF depending on when you cancel it? I got a somewehat large balance on the card right nowand it likely will not be paid off till later in Jan when its actually due. Also, what is Chase's policy on transferring credit lines to other cards? I'd hate for my util to take a hit giving up the decent sized line of my CSP. 

;
Starting Score: EQ: 714, TU 684
Current Score: EQ: 725 7/30/13, TU 684 6/2013, Exp 828 5/2018, Last App 8/5/17
Goal Score: 800 (Achieved!) In garden until Sepetember 2019
Message 16 of 34
NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Advice on credit actions to take before end of 2014


@red259 wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@red259 wrote:

@NRB525 wrote:

 

I don't have any Chase Sapphire, Preferred or otherwise, but comments elsewhere lead me to believe there is only the CSP, no CS anymore. So might be worth some research. I would guess closing the CSP would, yes, remove any annual bonus you might earn after that.

 

 


I looked on the chase website and don't see the non-AF chase sapphire listed. Are downgrades from the CSP gone now? This is not something I had anticipated and I will have to think about my strategy now.How long does a chase card nee to be open before I can my credit line over to a different card? Maybe I can move the credit line over to my freedom. 

 


RIght, the plain CS disappeared from the website about a month ago (and for a while before that was only on the CSP page as a link).   At least one report here of someone still being able to downgrade after it went from the website, but of course no guarantee that that will stay possible.


Does chase pro-rate the AF depending on when you cancel it? I got a somewehat large balance on the card right nowand it likely will not be paid off till later in Jan when its actually due. Also, what is Chase's policy on transferring credit lines to other cards? I'd hate for my util to take a hit giving up the decent sized line of my CSP. 


You are paying interest at 16% APR on a large balance and you are concerned about the AF? Your priorities are skewed, IMO.

 

Often the AF is just a "pay to play" feature of these credit cards. Pay it for 2015 and enjoy the CL and points you can earn by charging, without worries.

 

You are trying to plan your shift of available cards and available CL, how you want to exactly move things around way too early.

 

Go for the cards you think you want to line up for the future, get them safely in your wallet, take advantage of BT offers if you get them, then circle back after it is sorted out and look at whether / what you want to close. Even the process of BT is a delay you may not be able to plan for.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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red259
Super Contributor

Re: Advice on credit actions to take before end of 2014


@NRB525 wrote:

@red259 wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@red259 wrote:

@NRB525 wrote:

 

I don't have any Chase Sapphire, Preferred or otherwise, but comments elsewhere lead me to believe there is only the CSP, no CS anymore. So might be worth some research. I would guess closing the CSP would, yes, remove any annual bonus you might earn after that.

 

 


I looked on the chase website and don't see the non-AF chase sapphire listed. Are downgrades from the CSP gone now? This is not something I had anticipated and I will have to think about my strategy now.How long does a chase card nee to be open before I can my credit line over to a different card? Maybe I can move the credit line over to my freedom. 

 


RIght, the plain CS disappeared from the website about a month ago (and for a while before that was only on the CSP page as a link).   At least one report here of someone still being able to downgrade after it went from the website, but of course no guarantee that that will stay possible.


Does chase pro-rate the AF depending on when you cancel it? I got a somewehat large balance on the card right nowand it likely will not be paid off till later in Jan when its actually due. Also, what is Chase's policy on transferring credit lines to other cards? I'd hate for my util to take a hit giving up the decent sized line of my CSP. 


You are paying interest at 16% APR on a large balance and you are concerned about the AF? Your priorities are skewed, IMO.

 

Often the AF is just a "pay to play" feature of these credit cards. Pay it for 2015 and enjoy the CL and points you can earn by charging, without worries.

 

You are trying to plan your shift of available cards and available CL, how you want to exactly move things around way too early.

 

Go for the cards you think you want to line up for the future, get them safely in your wallet, take advantage of BT offers if you get them, then circle back after it is sorted out and look at whether / what you want to close. Even the process of BT is a delay you may not be able to plan for.


I said the balance will be paid off when its due. I never said, nor am I, carrying a balance on the card. Just that a statement cut with the balance on it. I don't need this card to use the points since I already have an ink card. I don't need balance transfers. My question is what is the chase policy of moving credit lines from one card to another , not moving balances. 

;
Starting Score: EQ: 714, TU 684
Current Score: EQ: 725 7/30/13, TU 684 6/2013, Exp 828 5/2018, Last App 8/5/17
Goal Score: 800 (Achieved!) In garden until Sepetember 2019
Message 18 of 34
NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Advice on credit actions to take before end of 2014


@red259 wrote:

 

 


I said the balance will be paid off when its due. I never said, nor am I, carrying a balance on the card. Just that a statement cut with the balance on it. I don't need this card to use the points since I already have an ink card. I don't need balance transfers. My question is what is the chase policy of moving credit lines from one card to another , not moving balances. 


Ok, fair enough.

 

However, as another point of clarification, the Chase Sapphire Preferred is a standard "extra points" credit card in that, to get the higher points earning rate, you must pay the AF. If your strategy is to find an "extra points" travel related card that is going to reward you like the CSP without the CSP AF, let us know, because I don't think it exists. Even the free Hotel cards that look like they are giving large points amounts, when you start calculating back to what that is worth on a really comparable basis, are all in the $0.01 range for the rewards, except if you are buying directly from that hotel chain.

 

Good luck!

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
Message 19 of 34
NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Advice on credit actions to take before end of 2014

There is a saying in engineering:

You can have this with more features (higher quality), you can get it delivered faster, or you can get it cheaper.

Pick any two.

 

In the credit card world, it goes:

You can get no AF, you can keep your credit line, or you can get oodles of points.

Pick any two.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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