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Amex Charge Card Prestige is OVER

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cheddar wrote:


ddd wrote:


cheddar wrote:


ddd wrote:

 
Mine was a joke also Smiley WinkSmiley Very Happy


Ahh, OK.  Well, at least I admitted mine was "sort of" a joke. Smiley Happy

 


Mee too


Noooo, I admitted mine was "sort of" a joke.  You said yours was a joke.
 
Big difference. Smiley Happy
 
Subtlety is lost on some. Smiley Very Happy
 


Wow ok I'm going to let you debate yourself on this one
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good one, cheddar.
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LOLOLOLOL, ddd.  You have made my night as well as ducky's and cheddar points. LOLOLOL
 
More proof that subtlety is lost on some, especially those not privy to the Old Myfico "ashabbir" days!
 
 
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night all, been a good discusion!
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lurknomore wrote:
LOLOLOLOL, ddd.  You have made my night as well as ducky's and cheddar points. LOLOLOL
 
More proof that subtlety is lost on some, especially those not privy to the Old Myfico "ashabbir" days!
 
 


Ok unlike the rest I will refuse to discuss what I dont know about, that makes people IGNORANT. I have no clue who youre friend assha is I'm going to let you three debate this one. Have a great discussion talking about how much you like each other and youre friend asshhb LOL


Message Edited by ddd on 02-05-2008 09:46 PM

Message Edited by ddd on 02-05-2008 09:47 PM
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Re: Amex Charge Card Prestige is OVER

No one in this thread (as I recall) has challenged the notion that Amex has lowered its lending standards; on this point, we can agree.  In fact, many of us have benefitted from it, including the OP.
 
Our argument diverges because we differ as to what constitutes the source of Amex's prestige. 
 
If Amex's prestige stems from its approval criteria, then OP may be correct as though standards have been lowered. 
 
If Amex's prestige comes from marketing and image-building, then I am correct. If the source of the prestige came from lending practices alone, why bother spending millions of dollars with advertising to the masses who likely wouldn't qualify?  Because Amex wanted to build an image of prestige and exclusivity among its consumers and its wannabe consumers.
 
Upon further thought, it seems as though both points hold much validity and in fact it was Amex's TOTAL business strategy (lending PLUS marketing) that fostered its image of prestige.  If either part is lacking, it makes for a less prestigious Amex.
 


Message Edited by lurknomore on 02-06-2008 08:11 AM
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I think something people are forgetting about this is the ebb and flow factor as I'll call it. Things are always changing. Especially right now in the economy. Perhaps right now Amex is a more lenient in their approving and lending but if these people who are getting approved more easily start defaulting and so forth (assuming that your credit score actually does match your ability to pay) and it starts to hurt Amex, then you'll see them raise their standards again. My point is, when people are paying their bills, then why wouldn't Amex give them the card? If they don't pay their bills, then Amex will take them away (or not give them). On the marketing end of things, I still think more or less average people thing Amex is a prestigious card. And in the future, I think you'll start seeing Amex raise their standards if this *MAYBE* sub-priming starts to hurt them. I'm still not convinced that the fact that a few people who generally wouldn't get a Green or Gold card are getting them supports that Amex is sub prime.
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I've had Amex cards on and off since 1991. I started with a Green fresh outta school, supported by my modest starter job salary, and quickly upgraded to a Gold. The only thing I was pushing through that Gold card was five dollar beers and cable TV bills. Definitely not $20,000+ a year! Too funny!
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ajg wrote:
And in the future, I think you'll start seeing Amex raise their standards if this *MAYBE* sub-priming starts to hurt them.

It already has started to hurt them. See the company's latest quarterly results.
 
Q4 2006 profit from U.S. Card Services: $473 million
Q4 2007 profit from U.S. Card Services: $7 million
 
2007 provisions for losses due to default rose 70% over the prior year, to $1.52 billion.
I agree they may go back back to their old ways sooner rather than later.
 
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So true, ajg.  Change is inevitable.  Businesses must adapt to the changing economic climate to continue to grow.
 
Most of the people on here can agree that Amex has relaxed its credit criteria over the recent years because Amex traditionally had a conservative business model (cater to credit-worthy, big spenders) which became more liberal to reach a new consumer base and grow company revenue. I suspect that with the present credit crunch Amex (and other lenders) may be regretting its decisions to move so far away from the previous lending standards and is now trying to lessen its credit exposure and resulting risk. 
 
While it seems to us that Amex is handing out cards like hotcakes, there are also many discussions of adverse action (i.e. CLD and account closings) taken by Amex.  In my opinion, the freewheeling days of monthly astronomical CLIs are long gone.  It appears that New Amex may be heading back towards its more conservative roots, but that change will take time as well.    Perhaps Amex will never get back to its "old" self, and there's no real reason for it to strive to do so if it wants to grow profits.  Some (moderate) change is inevitable to survive.   
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