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adushenka
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Amex fraud handling

New to Amex but started feeling uneasy about it due to fraud case handling by their teams. 

 

I got a card, used it for a month or two, exclusively with Apple Pay (contacless and one online Apple pay). One morning I got SafeKey email for a transaction from overseas, which got declined as I never confirmed it. 

 

At this point, I contacted Amex and reported it. To my surprise, the agent downplayed the whole situation - it was declined, no further action needed, keep an eye on future transactions. Sorry, what? The card clearly got compromised and not action required? Anyway, I insisted on replacing the  card, which they initiated.

The very next morning I woke up to 4 approved Apple transaction from Twitter, all online, overseas and showed in Apple pay on my phone. OK, I called their team again to better understand what happens. This time, I was told that these transaction were Apple Pay, so replacing the physical card makes no difference and I was suggested to change Apple ID password. Sorry, Apple ID? To compromise Apple ID, somebody need to work really hard to bypass 2FA and generate no notications. Additionally, Apple Pay is device specific, so that explanation didn't make sense. Device is running the latest iOS and Apple Pay always requires biometric / pin authorization under normal circustances. 

 

All in all, they opened a fraud case, replaced the physical card again and removed the accout from all Apple Pay devices. I was assured that the transaction were already flagged in their system and they won't post. Guess what, all of them got posted. 

 

After about two week, I was told that do not credit account until the case is settled, which can take 30-90 days. OMG, is it stone age or something? It's less than $40 of total expenses. None of it matters to Amex.

 

In comparison, I had a couple of fraud cases with Capital One in 10 years or so for way larger amounts, 10 min phone call,  instant credit, they took care of the rest and knew what to do.

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CreditCuriosity
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Amex fraud handling

AMEX has typically  been the best in the business w/regards to fraud and taking counsumers side and making things fairly painless.

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Gunnerboy
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@adushenka wrote:

 

I got a card, used it for a month or two, exclusively with Apple Pay (contacless and one online Apple pay). One morning I got SafeKey email for a transaction from overseas, which got declined as I never confirmed it. 

 


On that one online Apple Pay transaction, were you on a public wifi network?



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Horseshoez
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Re: Amex fraud handling


@CreditCuriosity wrote:

AMEX has typically  been the best in the business w/regards to fraud and taking counsumers side and making things fairly painless.


Agreed, one of the few reasons why I'd like to get back in with AMEX some day.

Chapter 13:

  • Burned: AMEX, Chase, Citi, Wells Fargo, and South County Bank (now Bank of Southern California)
  • Filed: 26-Feb-2015
  • MoC: 01-Mar-2015
  • 1st Payment (posted): 23-Mar-2015
  • Last Payment (posted): 07-Feb-2020
  • Discharged: 04-Mar-2020
  • Closed: 23-Jun-2020

 

I categorically refuse to do AZEO!

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WarCulture
New Member

Re: Amex fraud handling

Hate to hear this experience with Amex. I've had a situation come up and they handled it instantly. 

 

I wouldn't wave them off just yet. I would call them and share your exerience with someone, if you're feeling some way. They may give you a retainment offer.

 

Good luck!

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Brian_Earl_Spilner
Credit Mentor

Re: Amex fraud handling

30-90 days is the norm for fraud investigation. With some lenders you can't even initiate the fraud investigation until the charge posts so seeing it post is not unusual. 

    
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uncredited
Frequent Contributor

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That does sound frustrating, especially because Amex is the one I'd consider THE card to want anything to go wrong with as they're famously the best for this sort of thing.

 

To offer a counter-point, some years ago I ran into fraud issues with a different bank, with a debit card, and the process was very similar, also with a 90 day turnaround (and they sure took the 90 days!), and while they were very good about it overall (and I am still a happy customer of that bank), their policy was that they could not reverse foreign transactions, only domestic.  So any of those foreign digital charges I simply had to eat the losses.  It was a lot worse than $40, though thankfully still in the hundreds and not thousands, though only because I never put more available funds in that debit account than I expected to use in a week or two.

 

That was a key deciding moment that I wanted to get into credit cards, specifically with banks like Amex to begin with...I hope they work it out for you, though not funding, and therefore not using that account for up to 3 months does seem like worse service than I'd have expected from Amex.

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adushenka
Valued Member

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Thank you all for your replies. I know the initial post was somewhat emotional. 

 

The only online transaction was not on public WiFi. Even on public WiFi, with up-to-date phone software, all payments traffic is HTTPS (TLS), so in majority cases, it still is safe. 

 

I'm not bashing Amex, just highlighting that this experience goes counter to my earlier ones. I have 800+ credit, 10+ years of history and a dozen of revolving credit accounts, spending thousands monthly. 99.9% of my transactions are on CCs. The $40 in question are not the issue, it's the actions of their support is what rattled me.

 

To be specific:

 

1. First interaction. The rep should have offered to replace the card immediately as SafeKey notication meant the number was compromised. Additionally, the rep didn't recognize that the number used was Apple Pay device CC number. If they did, we wouldn't be in this situation.
2. Second interaction. The rep did recognize the transactions were through Apple Pay and took corrective action by forcefully removing all Apple Pay enrollements. At the same time, the suggestions about Apple ID password seemed off. Anyway, the rep told that the transactions won't post and will just disappear as their systems also flagged them as suspicious. It turned out not to be true.
3. Third interaction, two weeks later. The rep wasn't sure why the transactions were there and wanted to open another case as previous one was for transations that were still pending. Subsequently, their Fraud team assured me that no new request is required and the case is still open. However, they will not credit the account until the case gets processed. I was told that I don't need to pay and to actually not pay for them as these are/will be marked as disputed in their system. Again, the rep failed to recognize that the transactions were technically "paid for" as I had negative balance (sign up bonus posted on zero balance).

After writing my initial post, I recalled all my fraud / disput cases in more than a decade. 2xCapital One, 1xSynchrony(Verizon) and 1 merchant dispute with BofA card.

 

Cap1 - In both cases, Cap1 immediately credited the amount and took all required corrective actions, they even told me merchants I needed update CC details with and the ones that got an update automatically. To be fair, they did tell me that the investigation will continue in background but they will only reach out to me if any further action is required, otherwise, I was all set.

The fraudulent transaction were made using physical cards (no EMV), the questions asked were simple -
Did you make these transaction? - No
Where you physicaly in the state the transactions were made? - No
Is your CC with you? - Yes.
Any relatives with access to CC? - No.

Under penalty of law, could you confirm that everything you told us is true to an extent of your knowledge? - Yes
You're all set, will let you know if anything else is required.

 

Synchony - same thing as Cap1 procedurally, just no fancy list of merchants to update the CC with. 

 

BofA mechant dispute - amount less than $50, the moment I went though the dispute process, they immediately returned the money and appologized for the experience. They realized that there was no point to even go through with it due to the amount and just ate the expense.

 

I hope it articulates my way of thinking a bit better. I want to be confident in a bank I deal with, so far the above have been good in this particular aspect.

I'm not parting with Amex just yet, time will tell.

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Anonymous
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@adushenka wrote:

Thank you all for your replies. I know the initial post was somewhat emotional. 

 

 


I don't think so!  It's the responses in defence of Amex that I found more strange, however historically great it's been, that doesn't help you...

 

Which card was this?   If it's a lower tier card, you might well be dealing with less skilled/trained agents,  

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adushenka
Valued Member

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@Anonymous wrote:

Which card was this?   If it's a lower tier card, you might well be dealing with less skilled/trained agents,  


It's Blue Cash Everyday, which is lower tier card in my understanding. My reason for getting an Amex card was rather simple - $500 incentive on a car purchase directly from the manufacturer, so combined with the sign up bonus it ended up $700 total.  I typically don't apply for cards for bonuses anymore but $700 convinced me. I also never had an Amex, so it was relatively an easy decision to make. 

 

I do like their Premium offering for rental car insurance, so I may consider using it instead of getting a CDW. I.e., there is certainly something in it product wise. 

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