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Amex possible black list ?

I had an American Express platinum since 2018, I spent about 400k on it in the 4 years I had it, I never missed a single payment. I had a few returned payments due to me being lazy and not transferring money to the proper account on time, this caused me to receive a pre set limit. In 2020, fast forward too late 2021 I had another returned payment and they canceled my card.

I have never missed a payment and I paid off the entire balance on the card after it was canceled. I tried to apply for another American Express card the day after I cleared the balance and I have no hard pull on my credit.

How long will I be black listed for something like this?

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CreditInspired
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Re: Amex possible black list ?

The thing is--when you say you NEVER missed a payment, you did indeed miss a few payments. If a payment is not made by the due date, it is considered missed, regardless if you catch up once payment due date is passed. 

One returned payment is a No-No, so 3 or 4--oh man!! I think it's going to be quite a while before they'll open the door again. 

However, you can always give AmX a call and grovel. 


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Anonymous
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Re: Amex possible black list ?

When you say quite a while? How long are you thinking? And are there any programs I can join too speed it up? 

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Anonymous
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Re: Amex possible black list ?


@Anonymous wrote:

When you say quite a while? How long are you thinking? And are there any programs I can join too speed it up? 


You are on that "black list" for sure. If you did not pay them it would be a life time ban. But going by others that posted on here, it may be 5 years. There is no way to speed up AX.

 

I would suggest to you that in the interm you get the Macy's Amex card. It offers some good features and is owned by Citi Bank under Department stores national bank.

Thanks

Mark

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coldfusion
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Re: Amex possible black list ?


@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

When you say quite a while? How long are you thinking? And are there any programs I can join too speed it up? 


You are on that "black list" for sure. If you did not pay them it would be a life time ban. But going by others that posted on here, it may be 5 years. There is no way to speed up AX.

 

I would suggest to you that in the interm you get the Macy's Amex card. It offers some good features and is owned by Citi Bank under Department stores national bank.

Thanks

Mark


Citibank has absolutely no sense of humor when it comes to returned payments, so if OP has not learned their lesson regarding returned payments they are an issuer to avoid.

 

Insofar as AMEX' blocklist, lifetime bans are linked to fraud and abuse, not so much with collections or bankruptcy even if AMEX was IIB. 

Amount of time blocked is based upon each individual circumstance, recovery is faster if there was a later full settlement or even negotiated partial settlement but even with IIB with no repayment a lot of people are able to get back in within 10-15 years.  

 

This was more a function of OP demonstrating a pattern of fiscal immaturity i.e. returned payments but not reported late payments or collections activity so I don't know if they would even be made to wait for the normal AMEX 5 year collections/non-IIB bankruptcy mininum.  Perhaps someone who got their account closed and then got back in can chime in with their specific experience.

 

There is no program that OP can sign themselves up for to try to get back into AMEX' good graces but if AMEX extends OP a specific offer and they want back in they should accept it knowing that even if they get back in it will almost certainly be on a probationary status (i.e. expect a pretty low SL and don't expect to get any CLIs) for some period of time.

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NRB525
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@Anonymous wrote:

I had an American Express platinum since 2018, I spent about 400k on it in the 4 years I had it, I never missed a single payment. I had a few returned payments due to me being lazy and not transferring money to the proper account on time, this caused me to receive a pre set limit. In 2020, fast forward too late 2021 I had another returned payment and they canceled my card.

I have never missed a payment and I paid off the entire balance on the card after it was canceled. I tried to apply for another American Express card the day after I cleared the balance and I have no hard pull on my credit.

How long will I be black listed for something like this?


Sorry to hear the AMEX got closed. 
Which other credit cards do you have, and have any of them had these un-funded, returned payments?


And just to be clear, yes you did miss payments. They aren't 30-day lates, but the Payment Due Date was missed. In credit,  the only absolute is to never miss paying ( with actual transferring cash ) at least the minimum payment by the payment due date. So one option to consider is setting up autopay, for the minimum payment ( which the bank will calculate ) from a checking account you know will always have sufficient funds. Then make whatever full payment timing you want around that. 

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Anonymous
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Re: Amex possible black list ?

I had something similar (although not exactly the same) happen to me with a Gold Card like 8 or 9 years ago. I got in a tough financial situation and they ended up putting me in a hardship payment plan on the Gold and Blue Cash (was 0% interest repayment over 18 or 24 months - I forget the exact term).

 

Long story short, I waited 1.5 - 2 years after I completed the hardship program and applied for a Gold again; they approved me w/ NPSL. I would note for the first 6-8 months, they would send me emails intra-month saying I needed to make a payment to not interrupt spending privleges. About 2 years ago, I upgraded to the Platinum and sometimes get the intra-month emails if spending gets to like 8ish.

 

Good Luck!

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wasCB14
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It may take time. The fact you repaid the debts should help, as will the fact you paid reasonably promptly (compared to people who take many months or even years to do so). These things are very YMMV.

 


@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

When you say quite a while? How long are you thinking? And are there any programs I can join too speed it up? 


You are on that "black list" for sure. If you did not pay them it would be a life time ban. But going by others that posted on here, it may be 5 years. There is no way to speed up AX.

 

I would suggest to you that in the interm you get the Macy's Amex card. It offers some good features and is owned by Citi Bank under Department stores national bank.

Thanks

Mark


I don't quite see the logic here.

 

To my mind, Amex is a tradeoff: The upside is great perks, protections, and customer service. The downside is lower acceptance.

 

Why seek out a card with the downside but not the upside? And one with features very specific to a single merchant?

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SoCalGardener
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Re: Amex possible black list ?


@Anonymous wrote:

I had an American Express platinum since 2018, I spent about 400k on it in the 4 years I had it, I never missed a single payment. I had a few returned payments due to me being lazy and not transferring money to the proper account on time, this caused me to receive a pre set limit. In 2020, fast forward too late 2021 I had another returned payment and they canceled my card.

I have never missed a payment and I paid off the entire balance on the card after it was canceled. I tried to apply for another American Express card the day after I cleared the balance and I have no hard pull on my credit.

How long will I be black listed for something like this?


In my opinion, you have bigger issues right now than worrying about how long you're going to be blacklisted by Amex.

 

If you're going to use credit, you need to put your big boy pants on and make *SURE* that your bills are paid on time. That doesn't include payments returned for insufficient funds--and you're kidding yourself by thinking you 'never missed a payment' when, in fact, you missed several. If I were you, I'd start working on a foolproof plan to make sure my bills are always paid on time. That would include funding a checking account so there's never any question about its balance covering a CC payment.

 

It might be helpful to have your due dates changed to a date that works best for you. In my case, since I'm on SS and my direct deposit hits my bank on the second Wednesday of each month, I changed all my due dates to fall AFTER the 15th. I pay all my bills via BofA's bill pay as each bill arrives; while setting up the payment I make its payment date the second Wednesday of the month. I never have late payments--or NSF payments. I also make sure that there's enough time between the date my direct deposit hits and each account's due date, just in case there's any sort of glitch; that way I can detect and correct any potential problem before the payment becomes late.

 

Getting back to funding an account: since you've demonstrated a lack of reliability when it comes to putting funds in an account in time for a payment to be made, you REALLY need to work out some other system. As noted, I have DD each month for my SS payment; whatever your source of income may be, see if you can arrange something similar to what I do, so you *know* there's money in the bank when any payments are due. As a human, you're prone to making mistakes, and forgetting to transfer money is just one of them that might happen--and, in your case, has happened. As long as you rely on that method for paying your bills, you're asking for trouble.

 

I'd tackle the bill-paying issue in a systematic way, and come up with a foolproof plan so you don't run into the same problems you've had. THEN start wondering how long Amex will blacklist you.

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Anonymous
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Re: Amex possible black list ?

While it may well be the case, not sure why so many are saying for certain "You did miss payments".    If OP was like some here, the payment could be made very early, and, once returned, there could still be time to make an on time payment.    Not so likely, but...!

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