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dragontears
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Re: App Spree... WHICH to App...?


@Charmante wrote:

@Azza BUT I have rehabbed Student Loans about to reappear, too. I'm THINKING they'll RAISE my scores. But worry the USDA may say it raises my DTI too much, too. Do you know...?


Yes, your 200k in SL will factor into your DTI, there is nothing short of paying them off that will change this. You keep mentioning USDA loan, keep in mind that they will use a % of the balance in the DTI calculation NOT the IBR payment. 

 

I haven't seen posted what time frame you are working with but you should prepare yourself and your roommates that it likely will not be until next year before you would be good shape for a mortgage.

 

Have you talked with a USDA approved lender yet? 

Message 21 of 31
Charmante
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Re: App Spree... WHICH to App...?

@Azza Your first paragraph caught my attention... So before I even continue reading, let me ask. Lol

 

I honestly don't know... She just said minimum scores are 660... She didn't specify and at the time, I didn't realize there WERE Mortgage Scores... In fact, discovered that less than a week ago. Lol

 

Now, again, didn't realize it varied... I knew CC/PL/Auto vary based on credit -- but I thought ALL Mortgage Rates were the same (as long as you are approved at all)... I thought ALL 30 Year Mortgages were 3.5-4.0 depending on the day... So... What CAN they vary from...? What is the LOWEST it can reach and the HIGHEST...? Surely they don't reach 15, 19, 25% like an Auto/CC...?

 

We live in a small Oklahoma town... LUXURY homes only cost about $150,000 - $250,000. $500,000 is nearly a mansion. LOL So, our home will run about $150,000 - $200,000 (before down payment)...

 

We have a combined $25,000 set aside for down payment. But by the time we purchase in 6-12 months, we'll have more. Our goal is to FINANCE an EVEN $100,000 -- So, we'll put down $50,000 - $100,000 to achieve the $100k finance.

 

SIDE NOTE: We plan to make some either IMMEDIATE or ASAP upgrades -- converting a bedroom into a dedicated office, with glass-paneled French doors, built in shelving, and a wet bar -- adding on an additional 2 car garage (most in OK are 2 car, we need a 4 car), and upgrading the kitchen to a Top Tier Chef's Kitchen -- one of us is in Culinary Arts seeking a Bachelor's Degree in CA and wants 4 ovens (Double Built-In and Double Range w/ 6 Burners)... SO -- my question is, how best to accomplish a purchase AND an upgrade super soon after? If we put down enough -- will we IMMEDIATELY have equity? Or can we do a Mortgage AND a Home Remodel PL simultaneously...? Or what...?

 

Now -- how long should we expect this medium-term dip to last? How significantly should it dip? (On clean files)

 

Benny has only 2 accounts in his own name (I forgot about Discover). A Dell opened April with a $3,000 CL and a Secured Discover opened April with a $500 CL. He's AU on my Macy's opened March with a $25,000 limit and AU on my CapitalOne opened June of 2016 with a $500 CL. All $0 owed except his Discover is $90 owed.

 

Jauwan -- I agree. He's fairly established. But we were told he should have 3 open revolvers. Is 1 enough? PLUS he wanted the available credit to use towards the purchase of furnishings and miscellaneous... Without being over 29% Utilization (hence wanting big limits)... But that could wait till AFTER... Would we be able to IMMEDIATELY apply for a CC/Loan AFTER fully closing on Home WITHOUT affecting Mortgage, as long as we are IN the home already?!

 

Kenneth -- IS it possible to deed him on, withOUT him being on mortgage? It would GREATLY simplify things. We have ZERO doubts of his paying and maintaining his end -- roommates since 2007 -- all of us are best friends by now. Just need to know IF it's possible to deed him on without him being on note?

 

Me: Come February I'll have ZERO Baddies, except ONE 90 Day Late -- NO Collections or CO's... With about 5 Years age on 2 Revolvers and 1 Year of age on remaining 3 Revolvers -- Home Depot will be 7 months old then... 99% of inquiries will be over 1 year old... Utilization will be at about 5% AZEO... So I'm very confident of hitting over 700 in February...

 

Yes... I am mad I opened the Home Depot... Since it's from the same bank as Macy's, I thought it would HUGELY grow -- identically to Macy's -- and THAT was going to be to purchase the Kitchen Upgrade items... BUT it does NOT grow like Macy's AT ALL... Wish I could UNDO that card... Lol

 

OH... I forgot -- Kenneth JUST bought a new Car, too... His first payment is due the 28th @$397... Balance of $19,500 of the $19,500 HB... Another reason to leave him off loan if possible?

 

Let me know your thoughts @Azza Thanks!!!

 

Message 22 of 31
coldfusion
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Re: App Spree... WHICH to App...?


@Charmante wrote:

 

 

We live in a small Oklahoma town... LUXURY homes only cost about $150,000 - $250,000. $500,000 is nearly a mansion. LOL So, our home will run about $150,000 - $200,000 (before down payment)...

 


I thought you lived in Dallas.  ????  

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Message 23 of 31
dragontears
Senior Contributor

Re: App Spree... WHICH to App...?


@Charmante wrote:

@Azza Your first paragraph caught my attention... So before I even continue reading, let me ask. Lol

 

I honestly don't know... She just said minimum scores are 660... She didn't specify and at the time, I didn't realize there WERE Mortgage Scores... In fact, discovered that less than a week ago. Lol

 

Now, again, didn't realize it varied... I knew CC/PL/Auto vary based on credit -- but I thought ALL Mortgage Rates were the same (as long as you are approved at all)... I thought ALL 30 Year Mortgages were 3.5-4.0 depending on the day... So... What CAN they vary from...? What is the LOWEST it can reach and the HIGHEST...? Surely they don't reach 15, 19, 25% like an Auto/CC...?

 

We live in a small Oklahoma town... LUXURY homes only cost about $150,000 - $250,000. $500,000 is nearly a mansion. LOL So, our home will run about $150,000 - $200,000 (before down payment)...

 

We have a combined $25,000 set aside for down payment. But by the time we purchase in 6-12 months, we'll have more. Our goal is to FINANCE an EVEN $100,000 -- So, we'll put down $50,000 - $100,000 to achieve the $100k finance.

 

SIDE NOTE: We plan to make some either IMMEDIATE or ASAP upgrades -- converting a bedroom into a dedicated office, with glass-paneled French doors, built in shelving, and a wet bar -- adding on an additional 2 car garage (most in OK are 2 car, we need a 4 car), and upgrading the kitchen to a Top Tier Chef's Kitchen -- one of us is in Culinary Arts seeking a Bachelor's Degree in CA and wants 4 ovens (Double Built-In and Double Range w/ 6 Burners)... SO -- my question is, how best to accomplish a purchase AND an upgrade super soon after? If we put down enough -- will we IMMEDIATELY have equity? Or can we do a Mortgage AND a Home Remodel PL simultaneously...? Or what...?

 

Now -- how long should we expect this medium-term dip to last? How significantly should it dip? (On clean files)

 

Benny has only 2 accounts in his own name (I forgot about Discover). A Dell opened April with a $3,000 CL and a Secured Discover opened April with a $500 CL. He's AU on my Macy's opened March with a $25,000 limit and AU on my CapitalOne opened June of 2016 with a $500 CL. All $0 owed except his Discover is $90 owed.

 

Jauwan -- I agree. He's fairly established. But we were told he should have 3 open revolvers. Is 1 enough? PLUS he wanted the available credit to use towards the purchase of furnishings and miscellaneous... Without being over 29% Utilization (hence wanting big limits)... But that could wait till AFTER... Would we be able to IMMEDIATELY apply for a CC/Loan AFTER fully closing on Home WITHOUT affecting Mortgage, as long as we are IN the home already?!

 

Kenneth -- IS it possible to deed him on, withOUT him being on mortgage? It would GREATLY simplify things. We have ZERO doubts of his paying and maintaining his end -- roommates since 2007 -- all of us are best friends by now. Just need to know IF it's possible to deed him on without him being on note?

 

Me: Come February I'll have ZERO Baddies, except ONE 90 Day Late -- NO Collections or CO's... With about 5 Years age on 2 Revolvers and 1 Year of age on remaining 3 Revolvers -- Home Depot will be 7 months old then... 99% of inquiries will be over 1 year old... Utilization will be at about 5% AZEO... So I'm very confident of hitting over 700 in February...

 

Yes... I am mad I opened the Home Depot... Since it's from the same bank as Macy's, I thought it would HUGELY grow -- identically to Macy's -- and THAT was going to be to purchase the Kitchen Upgrade items... BUT it does NOT grow like Macy's AT ALL... Wish I could UNDO that card... Lol

 

OH... I forgot -- Kenneth JUST bought a new Car, too... His first payment is due the 28th @$397... Balance of $19,500 of the $19,500 HB... Another reason to leave him off loan if possible?

 

Let me know your thoughts @Azza Thanks!!!

 


To answer your question on mortgage rates and how they vary. In no particular order 

Loan program i.e. VA vs. FHA vs. Conventional 

Down payment, the lower the down payment the higher the rate

Credit score for certain programs. For some types of loans (FHA) once your score reaches their minimum there is no further change in rates (i.e. a 660 and a 800 score gets the same rate) but with other types of loans (Conventional) there is a change in rate every 20 points (i.e. 700-719, 720-730, etc)

 

The difference in rates might seem small but a 0.5% rate difference over 30 years is tens of thousands of dollars.

 

One thing I haven't seen you mention is income. Please be aware that if someone is not on the loan their income can NOT be used to qualify for the mortgage. That information might help your group decide if all will be on the loan or just some. 

 

Message 24 of 31
Remedios
Credit Mentor

Re: App Spree... WHICH to App...?

@Charmante  help me (and others understand) 

Here  you moved into your own house, and that's July 1st 

Here you had an accident and were living in a hotel, but that's three days before you living in your own house 

 

I cannot untangle this no matter how hard I try. 

 

Message 25 of 31
Azza
Regular Contributor

Re: App Spree... WHICH to App...?

@Charmante That's an awful lot of information, more than I can easily digest.

 

That being said, my best advice is just to be patient. I'm 37. Bad use of credit trapped me for years and put me at odds with my wife, who loves me very much. But whenever we talked about money and how much I owed, things were rough. And it was my fault, which made me regret my impulsive decisions. It wasn't until recently that I got a handle on my credit and paid off $30,000 (yes) in credit debt that things turned around. And when I did that, my credit bounced. Things got better, but they didn't have to be bad to begin with.

 

Because I waited and was able to space out my inquiries, now I have some great cards.  What's even better is all of them have auto-CLI'd. You know what? The cards I got impulsively are the ones I barely even use now (the Newegg and Amazon cards.) And I'm honestly a little ashamed of them. I feel like now I have to use them occasionally so they don't close on me, and that's being a slave to credit. Credit should work for me, not the other way around! Smiley Happy

 

All I guess I'm trying to say man is these should not be snap decisions. We've got all this stuff dangled in front of us in a consumer society. Cards and the prestige of owning them are dangled everywhere. Get off TPG. Avoid review sites. Heck, even avoid the credit card forum here for a while. Bro, being a slave to debt blows hard. There is nothing prestigious about it. Staying informed is alright, but I think this is a nasty temptation for you and I don't want to see you fall harder because a pre-qualified offer turned into a decline and a ding on your report (that happens!)

 

Take your time, please let your credit age without lusting after those cards you see in lights and when your credit turns around then in the future when you snag that $10k approval I can safely say we're all going to be here cheering for you. But this year it's not in the cards. You can't game your past.

 

Join us in the garden! It's actually a lot of fun, and I enjoy reading the forums and soaking in more information. No temptation to get new cards, either, because seeing that bar fill up at the bottom of my sig brings me more joy than another card will for now (and when you get an inquiry, you reset it) Smiley Happy I'd suggest a year for you. Bet you could hit at least 700 with those derogs dropping. If you need help getting your credit report in shape we're here. But we can't help out when you're bouncing off the walls and have 2 or 3 stories we can't keep straight. Help us help you, my friend.

 

I'm heading to bed. Night forum o/

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Message 26 of 31
AverageJoesCredit
Legendary Contributor

Re: App Spree... WHICH to App...?


@dragontears wrote:

@Charmante wrote:

@Azza Your first paragraph caught my attention... So before I even continue reading, let me ask. Lol

 

I honestly don't know... She just said minimum scores are 660... She didn't specify and at the time, I didn't realize there WERE Mortgage Scores... In fact, discovered that less than a week ago. Lol

 

Now, again, didn't realize it varied... I knew CC/PL/Auto vary based on credit -- but I thought ALL Mortgage Rates were the same (as long as you are approved at all)... I thought ALL 30 Year Mortgages were 3.5-4.0 depending on the day... So... What CAN they vary from...? What is the LOWEST it can reach and the HIGHEST...? Surely they don't reach 15, 19, 25% like an Auto/CC...?

 

We live in a small Oklahoma town... LUXURY homes only cost about $150,000 - $250,000. $500,000 is nearly a mansion. LOL So, our home will run about $150,000 - $200,000 (before down payment)...

 

We have a combined $25,000 set aside for down payment. But by the time we purchase in 6-12 months, we'll have more. Our goal is to FINANCE an EVEN $100,000 -- So, we'll put down $50,000 - $100,000 to achieve the $100k finance.

 

SIDE NOTE: We plan to make some either IMMEDIATE or ASAP upgrades -- converting a bedroom into a dedicated office, with glass-paneled French doors, built in shelving, and a wet bar -- adding on an additional 2 car garage (most in OK are 2 car, we need a 4 car), and upgrading the kitchen to a Top Tier Chef's Kitchen -- one of us is in Culinary Arts seeking a Bachelor's Degree in CA and wants 4 ovens (Double Built-In and Double Range w/ 6 Burners)... SO -- my question is, how best to accomplish a purchase AND an upgrade super soon after? If we put down enough -- will we IMMEDIATELY have equity? Or can we do a Mortgage AND a Home Remodel PL simultaneously...? Or what...?

 

Now -- how long should we expect this medium-term dip to last? How significantly should it dip? (On clean files)

 

Benny has only 2 accounts in his own name (I forgot about Discover). A Dell opened April with a $3,000 CL and a Secured Discover opened April with a $500 CL. He's AU on my Macy's opened March with a $25,000 limit and AU on my CapitalOne opened June of 2016 with a $500 CL. All $0 owed except his Discover is $90 owed.

 

Jauwan -- I agree. He's fairly established. But we were told he should have 3 open revolvers. Is 1 enough? PLUS he wanted the available credit to use towards the purchase of furnishings and miscellaneous... Without being over 29% Utilization (hence wanting big limits)... But that could wait till AFTER... Would we be able to IMMEDIATELY apply for a CC/Loan AFTER fully closing on Home WITHOUT affecting Mortgage, as long as we are IN the home already?!

 

Kenneth -- IS it possible to deed him on, withOUT him being on mortgage? It would GREATLY simplify things. We have ZERO doubts of his paying and maintaining his end -- roommates since 2007 -- all of us are best friends by now. Just need to know IF it's possible to deed him on without him being on note?

 

Me: Come February I'll have ZERO Baddies, except ONE 90 Day Late -- NO Collections or CO's... With about 5 Years age on 2 Revolvers and 1 Year of age on remaining 3 Revolvers -- Home Depot will be 7 months old then... 99% of inquiries will be over 1 year old... Utilization will be at about 5% AZEO... So I'm very confident of hitting over 700 in February...

 

Yes... I am mad I opened the Home Depot... Since it's from the same bank as Macy's, I thought it would HUGELY grow -- identically to Macy's -- and THAT was going to be to purchase the Kitchen Upgrade items... BUT it does NOT grow like Macy's AT ALL... Wish I could UNDO that card... Lol

 

OH... I forgot -- Kenneth JUST bought a new Car, too... His first payment is due the 28th @$397... Balance of $19,500 of the $19,500 HB... Another reason to leave him off loan if possible?

 

Let me know your thoughts @Azza Thanks!!!

 


To answer your question on mortgage rates and how they vary. In no particular order 

Loan program i.e. VA vs. FHA vs. Conventional 

Down payment, the lower the down payment the higher the rate

Credit score for certain programs. For some types of loans (FHA) once your score reaches their minimum there is no further change in rates (i.e. a 660 and a 800 score gets the same rate) but with other types of loans (Conventional) there is a change in rate every 20 points (i.e. 700-719, 720-730, etc)

 

The difference in rates might seem small but a 0.5% rate difference over 30 years is tens of thousands of dollars.

 

One thing I haven't seen you mention is income. Please be aware that if someone is not on the loan their income can NOT be used to qualify for the mortgage. That information might help your group decide if all will be on the loan or just some. 

 


This should be moved to Mortgage if the discussion wants to keep on the mortgage discussion. 

Message 27 of 31
Charmante
Frequent Contributor

Re: App Spree... WHICH to App...?

@Azza I would love to be patient... But due to Kenneth having a MAJOR accident, we are all 4 living in a hotel and it's eating fast away at our incomes AND savings -- so I don't know what to do?!

 

We were in the same rental home from 2007 until early 2020 -- we had each been contributing $250 per month into a savings account, to get us out of the rental and into our own home for nearly 10 years...

 

Then my aunt died and her daughter wanted to quickly get rid of my aunt's home -- she let me get it for $20,000!!! The home appraised for $58,000 and the land nearly $20,000 additional -- so we of course bought the home. We moved in for a couple of months -- but it became apparent the home HAD to be rehabbed to satisfy us -- which was fine -- we still had over $100,000 in our Home Purchase Account and we decided to pour it into our remodel.

 

3 of us went to Dallas for both a vacation AND Benny's job requested him at their Dallas location AND they were footing the hotel expense -- great!!!

 

Kenneth stayed behind to get the remodel done -- before his retirement he was a carpenter and knew what to do. He had a full demo done on the home and purchased the flooring, sheetrock, and paint.

 

Then he was T-Boned at over 60 MPH!!! He was hospitalized for well over a month. Barely survived...

 

We spent every penny of our remodel money on his rehab/aftercare and hospital...

 

Now we own a demo home. Are living in a hotel. And only have $25,000 saved up after all that mess...

 

Which isn't nearly enough to remodel the home we purchased...

 

But MAY be enough to get us into a home purchase...?

 

Any suggestions...? Rental properties are HARD to find in our area... We keep looking...

 

Definitely would love a solution to this -- cause it's the worst 6 months of our lives!!!

Message 28 of 31
Charmante
Frequent Contributor

Re: App Spree... WHICH to App...?

@dragontears What is an IBR Payment...?

 

Yes, about the longest we can afford to remain on our current arrangement is about June, maybe July -- that gives us NEARLY a year to get things all sewn together -- hopefully tightly enough to meet everything necessary.

 

I've discussed with everyone involved -- once the student loans hit my credit -- I am consolidating them into one loan -- THEN making $750 monthly payments...

 

Though this will NOT pay them off before we must go for a home purchase, it WILL significantly reduce them... Probably down to about 60% I estimate...

 

That should really help our DTI look better!

Message 29 of 31
dragontears
Senior Contributor

Re: App Spree... WHICH to App...?


@Charmante wrote:

@dragontears What is an IBR Payment...?

 

Yes, about the longest we can afford to remain on our current arrangement is about June, maybe July -- that gives us NEARLY a year to get things all sewn together -- hopefully tightly enough to meet everything necessary.

 

I've discussed with everyone involved -- once the student loans hit my credit -- I am consolidating them into one loan -- THEN making $750 monthly payments...

 

Though this will NOT pay them off before we must go for a home purchase, it WILL significantly reduce them... Probably down to about 60% I estimate...

 

That should really help our DTI look better!


IBR = income based repayment 

I am confused by your math, $750 ×12 = $9,000. I thought you said in another thread you had 200k in SL?

Message 30 of 31
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