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ayeecorreia
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Balance Transfer Advice

Hello all, long time lurker on the forums, love reading. Need some advice please.

 

I'm not looking for "stop spending on credit." I learned the hard way after getting so many cards early and not managing them properly,(I'm currently 20) that they could get me into trouble. Luckily, I have a decent paying job and can survive on multiple payments and now survive on debit transactions. However I wanted to get the community's opinion on whether to BT or to keep my separate payments. Is it better to max out a certain card and pay a higher interest, rather than pay interest on multiple accounts? 

 

Below is my current table, updated today with balances and limits (I did not update the regular monthly payments to go along with current balances). I included the BT rate on the ones I am considering. I am currently taking advantage of an offer from discover for 12 months no interest on a BT, which was separate from the one that came when I got the card, which is why the balance is so high.

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I'm open to all options except apping, I've tried to get Slate and Simplicity, but I app'd too late and recon wasn't available because my scores dropped due to balance, wish I would have jumped sooner before I killed my DTI ratio.

 

Thank you in advance

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NRB525
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Re: Balance Transfer Advice

All else being equal, and with no new cards applied for, your best bet is to leave the balances where they are, and emphasize one of two strategies:

1) Pay down the lowest open amounts first, then shift those monthly payments ( in a snowball) to the next larger balance.

2) Pay down the highest APR first, then shift the monthly payment to the next higher APR. This is a debt avalanche. Your cards APR are not that far off, so this is marginal difference.

 

In your analysis, be sure you separate out the car payment and NFCU LendKey item, those should not be in the analysis of Credit Cards.

 

Any BT you do to these cards probabaly incurs a 3% or 4% BT Fee. This sets you back, unless the card is offering a reduced APR, which it sounds like not.

 

Have you checked with NFCU about a consolidation loan?

 

Sometimes the problem with a consolidation loan, and even BT onto one card is that the cardholder can now see a lower minimum payment amount, and slack off the heavy payments. Having the card balances in place forces you to not let up as the balances decline, so hopefully the balances go down faster.

 

I would focus on getting the Freedom card to zero first, partly due to the APR, but also because with Freedom at zero, you then have a good PIF card that you can shift your Debit charging to. Just be certain that you do pay in full every month going forward.

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OmarGB9
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Re: Balance Transfer Advice

I suppose the advantage of moving all balances onto one card would be having less payments to remember and keep track of, although the spike in utilization on that card might make the issuing bank nervous. As far as paying interest, well, honestly, the only way to find out the answer to that is to do the math and see whether it's cheaper to pay higher interest on one card or lower interest across multiple cards. Although I'm thinking it'd be cheaper to pay lower interest on smaller balances across multiple cards rather than BT a huge $10k balance onto one card and pay a higher interest on that. Not to mention the hefty BT fee(s).

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ayeecorreia
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Re: Balance Transfer Advice


@NRB525 wrote:

All else being equal, and with no new cards applied for, your best bet is to leave the balances where they are, and emphasize one of two strategies:

1) Pay down the lowest open amounts first, then shift those monthly payments ( in a snowball) to the next larger balance.

2) Pay down the highest APR first, then shift the monthly payment to the next higher APR. This is a debt avalanche. Your cards APR are not that far off, so this is marginal difference.

 

In your analysis, be sure you separate out the car payment and NFCU LendKey item, those should not be in the analysis of Credit Cards.

 

Any BT you do to these cards probabaly incurs a 3% or 4% BT Fee. This sets you back, unless the card is offering a reduced APR, which it sounds like not.

 

Have you checked with NFCU about a consolidation loan?

 

Sometimes the problem with a consolidation loan, and even BT onto one card is that the cardholder can now see a lower minimum payment amount, and slack off the heavy payments. Having the card balances in place forces you to not let up as the balances decline, so hopefully the balances go down faster.

 

I would focus on getting the Freedom card to zero first, partly due to the APR, but also because with Freedom at zero, you then have a good PIF card that you can shift your Debit charging to. Just be certain that you do pay in full every month going forward.


Thank you for the advice, it is very well taken and appreciated.

 

I forgot to mention I have used websites like USAA's debt eliminator tool to see, just wanted to see if there was a better way that made sense. I did not think about the 3% BT fees.

 

The car payment and lendkey are not apart, forgot to eliminate them out as this is my monthly credit bills. The Insurance, car and loans are not included, only the active credit line items. 

 

Is navy federal usually good with consolidation loans? I went to Burbank FCU and got a 5k loan, the rate wasn't good but it was better than my current APR's which is why I accepted. Didn't think about Navy Fed. 

 

The only card that offered a reduced APR (0%) was discover and I took that balance from Barclay (realize now I should have done freedom.)

 

 

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ayeecorreia
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Re: Balance Transfer Advice

In addition, I have been a NFCU member for around 5 years, and used to have Direct deposit set up. i just changed my banking back over to NFCU, maybe I will let a couple months pass with Direct Deposit posting and then app for personal loan for consolidation. That seems like the best idea as long as I can secure a good rate, but by reading some threads about NFCU loans people get what they ask for, even with a 650 score as long as they prove the relationship and don't have debt with NFCU

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Anonymous
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Re: Balance Transfer Advice

You might want to check out vertex42 for a debt snowball excel template. I found it very helpful back in the day. And it looks like you're handy enough with Excel if you want to play with the back sheet at all, you can. 

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takeshi74
Senior Contributor

Re: Balance Transfer Advice


@ayeecorreia wrote:

Is it better to max out a certain card and pay a higher interest, rather than pay interest on multiple accounts? 


It's rarely best to max out a card given the hits and risk of AA.  You already have a maxed card with another close to being maxed out and another 2 that also have high utilization.

 

BT'ing doesn't really without 0% offers and even with such offers you'd incur  BT fees that you need to consider.  Compare what you'd incur in BT fees to the interest you'd save.  Run the numbers.

 

Without running the numbers for you generally you want to pay as little interest as possible while getting your utilization as low as possible -- especially on the maxed card and other high utilization cards.  I'd recommend getting that card at 93% down as quickly as possible first.  Get all your cards to 50% and then prioritize based on interest.  Your overall utilization isn't terrible but the individual utilization matters as well.  That said, it looks like your numbers are a bit skewed because you're including non-revolving accounts in utilization.  Definitely consider the installments and their impact on your debt ratios but separate out your revolving utilization.

 


@ayeecorreia wrote:

I'm open to all options except apping, I've tried to get Slate and Simplicity, but I app'd too late and recon wasn't available because my scores dropped due to balance, wish I would have jumped sooner before I killed my DTI ratio.


With your utilization a new card isn't an option.  Even if approved you'd get a low limit and a high APR.

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SouthJamaica
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Re: Balance Transfer Advice


@ayeecorreia wrote:

Hello all, long time lurker on the forums, love reading. Need some advice please.

 

I'm not looking for "stop spending on credit." I learned the hard way after getting so many cards early and not managing them properly,(I'm currently 20) that they could get me into trouble. Luckily, I have a decent paying job and can survive on multiple payments and now survive on debit transactions. However I wanted to get the community's opinion on whether to BT or to keep my separate payments. Is it better to max out a certain card and pay a higher interest, rather than pay interest on multiple accounts? 

 

Below is my current table, updated today with balances and limits (I did not update the regular monthly payments to go along with current balances). I included the BT rate on the ones I am considering. I am currently taking advantage of an offer from discover for 12 months no interest on a BT, which was separate from the one that came when I got the card, which is why the balance is so high.

Screen Shot 2015-09-20 at 9.26.11 PM.png

 

I'm open to all options except apping, I've tried to get Slate and Simplicity, but I app'd too late and recon wasn't available because my scores dropped due to balance, wish I would have jumped sooner before I killed my DTI ratio.

 

Thank you in advance


IMHO your strategy should be to reduce all accounts w >50% utilization to <50% utilization.

Then the same for those > 30%

The same for those > 10%


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Kenny
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Balance Transfer Advice

Also, ask for NFCU to CLI your card.. look at the official NFCU thread for guidance with that.. it's possible that you can increase that significantly which will help your scores in the short term.

However, you're going to need to BT, atleast to me, unless you can pay all of it all off quickly because the interest rates are quite high. Also, ask for APR reductions regularly for all of your accounts.

Not sure if you would be approved for what you would want right now limit wise for a 0% card (like Slate or Simplicity.) Get your utilization in better check, let that report, see the scores improve, then app for Slate or Simplicity with an attempt to get the balances on one card possibly. I would put serious effort in payments with the CSP if you plan on apping for the Slate, but also another thing to consider is if the Slate is subject to the 5 new account rule? Are you ok new account wise? If not, then focus on APRs, get scores maximized then app for simplicity and move all over to it. If they don't give you enough call a human and recon the CL. (I would do it even if it means another HP.)

 

Have any of us asked your yearly income? I ask this because if it's higher you should be able to knock these balances out without a BT, possibly? If it's lower, that can alter recommendations, as well.

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ayeecorreia
New Contributor

Re: Balance Transfer Advice

Yearly income around $45k, I'm a full time student as well as working full time.

 

I appreciate the help. I requested a CLI on my NFCU cash rewards to 10k from 4k, got 3-5 day message so sent them a secure message regarding, since it was more than likely a HP.

 

Should I app for LOC? Is it better to app online or over the phone? I know to ask for 15k. I hear great success stories, and i've got my DD and Bill pay all from NFCU, and may be moving an auto loan if they will match the rate in the future.

 

I asked for lower APR on Barclay Arrival, but denied over the phone. 

 

Amex Fico is 706 (Aug 12)

Discover Fico is 699

 

Credit Karma is lower of course

 

I am also an AU on gf's Cap One Venture 1500/5000 reporting

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