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FieryDance
Frequent Contributor

Re: Beginner Travel Card

I share your idea that it is not ideal to get cards without free downgrade paths when you are starting out, trying to build up AAoA.  My recommendations to college aged folks: if you have options, opt for a no AF Visa or MasterCard from a large national bank with flexible PC options.  

Now I don't know what your definition of a beginner travel card is but I'd imagine to a college student it's more about money saving and budget travel rather than status, lounge access or luxury.  If that's the case, a free cash back card may fit your needs better than most "travel" cards. 

 

BoA PR is essentially a cash back card but with an AF and I would only recommend it if you are at least Platinum with BoA.  If you want to try out Chase's system, get the Chase trifecta by adding a CSP and a Freedom.  Reevaluate after one year, you will have the option to upgrade the CSP to CSR or downgrade to CF/CFU.  IMO UR is easier for beginners than MR because you have access to Chase portal and cash back as options. 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: Beginner Travel Card

Among no annual fee cards, Bank of America Cash Rewards set to Travel earns 3% (more if you have money with them or Merrill such as an IRA) on a wide variety of travel merchants (biggies plus garages, toll booths, amusement parks, taxis, AirBNB, Uber, etc).  These come in Mastercard (basic, MLB) and Visa (Komen, US Pride, Wildlife).  They also provide a nice sign up bonus of 15-20% on the first $500 or $1000 of spending.

 

If you are a Costco member, the Citi Costco Anywhere card is no AF and earns 3% on a smaller group of key travel merchants such as airlines, hotels, car rentals, travel agencies and cruise lines.  It also earns 4% at the gas pump at Costco.

 

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Among cards with smaller annual fees, it's hard to beat the Chase World of Hyatt card, especially if it is a daily driver and you spend $15K on the card per year.  

 

For $95, you get one free Hyatt night certificate per year worth 15,000 points.  Hyatt points are worth 1.7 cents, so that's $255 in value.  In addition, you earn 2x Hyatt points (3.4%) at restaurants, gyms, transit and airlines.  The card provides certain travel insurance like trip cancellation, trip delay, lost baggage and delayed baggage.  The card also provides points and status at Hyatt meaning you earn 16.2% back on paid Hyatt stays.

 

If you spend $15,000 per year on the card, you get a 2nd free night certificate worth 15,000 points.  It's like earning 1x more Hyatt point per dollar on the first $15K.  So now you earn 2x everywhere (3.4%), 3x or 5.1% on restaurants, flights, gyms and transit, and 17.9% back on paid Hyatt stays.  

 

It's the best low annual fee hotel card on the market.  

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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Beginner Travel Card


@Anonymous wrote:

Among no annual fee cards, Bank of America Cash Rewards set to Travel earns 3% (more if you have money with them or Merrill such as an IRA) on a wide variety of travel merchants (biggies plus garages, toll booths, amusement parks, taxis, AirBNB, Uber, etc).  These come in Mastercard (basic, MLB) and Visa (Komen, US Pride, Wildlife).  They also provide a nice sign up bonus of 15-20% on the first $500 or $1000 of spending.

 

If you are a Costco member, the Citi Costco Anywhere card is no AF and earns 3% on a smaller group of key travel merchants such as airlines, hotels, car rentals, travel agencies and cruise lines.  It also earns 4% at the gas pump at Costco.

 

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Among cards with smaller annual fees, it's hard to beat the Chase World of Hyatt card, especially if it is a daily driver and you spend $15K on the card per year.  

 

For $95, you get one free Hyatt night certificate per year worth 15,000 points.  Hyatt points are worth 1.7 cents, so that's $255 in value.  In addition, you earn 2x Hyatt points (3.4%) at restaurants, gyms, transit and airlines.  The card provides certain travel insurance like trip cancellation, trip delay, lost baggage and delayed baggage.  The card also provides points and status at Hyatt meaning you earn 16.2% back on paid Hyatt stays.

 

If you spend $15,000 per year on the card, you get a 2nd free night certificate worth 15,000 points.  It's like earning 1x more Hyatt point per dollar on the first $15K.  So now you earn 2x everywhere (3.4%), 3x or 5.1% on restaurants, flights, gyms and transit, and 17.9% back on paid Hyatt stays.  

 

It's the best low annual fee hotel card on the market.  


WoH is an awesome card. I have one. But WoH is VISA Siggy, same $5k concern as CSP.  

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Beginner Travel Card

Paging Capital One Quicksilver. In the category of no AF, no FTF, works everywhere card, that is Not VISA Siggy, it's really hard to beat. 

 

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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MrT_521
Regular Contributor

Re: Beginner Travel Card

You mention that you're planning to take two international trips in the next two years. This means that if you get a credit card with an AF, you can expect to pay the AF for two years to cover both trips, even if you get it with the intention of downgrading later. Two trips in two years is a very light schedule, and hardly worth making it an important bullet point in your search. I do not think I would look for a travel card specifically.

 

Personally, I think you'll do better ignoring the travel aspect of your search, with the possible exception of choosing something with no foreign transaction fee. Look for a card with a good cash back rewards. Also, a good SUB is beneficial, assuming you can meet the MSR. However, even the value of a SUB isn't so important when you plan to keep the card forever.

 

I am an expat and so I prioritize cards with no FTF, but as I travel internationally fairly often, I don't mind paying an AF for good travel benefits. Many of my cards have either an AF or a FTF, but two that I have without either are Capital One QuickSilver and HSBC Cash Rewards Mastercard. There are many more too. You specifically mentioned being leery of Capital One, but I would highly recommend their QuickSilver credit card.

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Anonymous
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Re: Beginner Travel Card

Definitely want to get in with Capital One... j worried they won't like my inquiries. As for the WoH I'm worried about it being a VS. I think I'd be able to cover low AF cards as I'd be flying to South Africa and Europe (more than one flight in Europe) and would easily spend ~1500 for those flights. I think I'm going to try for the CapOne Venture and then downgrade 

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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Beginner Travel Card

Good luck on the application, Venture has a nice SUB.

 

However Venture is WEMC, which leads to the same $5k minium limit issues. It is also an "advanced" Cap One card. If someone has a credit file with other larger limit cards, that can be successful. For a first CapOne just starting out, I'm not sure I'd go there just yet.

The Quicksilver has no minimum CL, earns you 1.5% everywhere, which is nearly the same as Venture, no AF, no FTF. Spend some time with the QS, like 12 months, and Venture should be a shoe-in.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
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Re: Beginner Travel Card

I did not know this! Glad I found out now. I will probably just try and create a relationship with them with their lower tier cards. I'm looking to try and get my first 5k card so I can potentially get approved down the line. I'm going to try the Amex 3x but hope that everything going on right now doesn't ruin my chances as I'll be eligible in July 

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Anonymous
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Re: Beginner Travel Card


@Anonymous wrote:

If I was to get any AMEX charge card right now, in order to keep that account open I have to pay an annual fee every year for as long as I keep it. Since I've recently started my credit career whatever accounts I open right now I want to keep forever. Therefore I'm stuck paying an AF forever because I won't want to close this account in 10 years due to its length. But if I get another card woth an AF w/ downgrade option to no annual fee I can sock drawer it and not have to worry whatsoever about keeping it open/closing it. 


As time goes on, you may want to consider the assumption I noted in bold above. There are arguments about keeping your first card(s) for as long as you can, and there is some merit to that argument, but it is not as simple as some may think. Even if your first card(s) ends up being closed, you do benefit from the payment history of it on your report (assuming that record is positive). It will stay on your report for 10 years after it is closed. Now, opening and closing cards does impact your Average Age of Accounts (AAoA), but that portion of the FICO scoring model has a lower percentage when compared to the impact of account payment history.

 

This information leads many (inlcuding me) to argue that one does not need to keep their first card(s) open for life (or even 10 years), as long as one considers the implications of closing and opening cards. These actions do impact a younger, thin file more than an older, thick file, so you still need to be cautious at your stage in your credit journey. However, this information means you do not need to be stuck with any cards. It all depends on how you weigh all relevant factors pertaining to your finances and your preferences. Just make sure to keep up good payment history and good credit use habits.

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Brian_Earl_Spilner
Credit Mentor

Re: Beginner Travel Card


@Anonymous wrote:

I did not know this! Glad I found out now. I will probably just try and create a relationship with them with their lower tier cards. I'm looking to try and get my first 5k card so I can potentially get approved down the line. I'm going to try the Amex 3x but hope that everything going on right now doesn't ruin my chances as I'll be eligible in July 


You may not be able to get the QS right out of the gate. I believe they require 3 years of credit history or 3 years with a certain card limit before they'll approve you for one of their prime cards. You may have to go with a Platinum and then upgrade it in about 4 months to a QS. That's what I did to get one.

    
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