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Anonymous
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Re: CC Fraud !

Also at least 3 stores have told me they couldn't afford to upgrade to the chip readers and because of that Visa/MC/Amex would not reimburse them for any fraud that occurred because they didn't have chip readers by a specific date which was I think March of last year.

And because they would t be reimbursed for any fraud they carded everyone.
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Dalmus
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Re: CC Fraud !

I've been carded at my local grocery card before because of rampant CC fraud. I just thanked them for verifying.

Can I ask why you refuse to show your ID if a retailer asks? I understand it being annoying for small purchases, but why would you not want them to verify ID for a large purchase?

And yes, buying large amounts of Visa/MC gift cards is something that is definitely a flag to any decent security policy.

Total Cards: 24 | Total Limit: $304,250


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Message 32 of 44
Anonymous
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Re: CC Fraud !

Dalmus - I have refused because:

1) They profile me! I have actually seen a person in their 50's in front of me spend $1,200 on their credit card at BestBuy at the same register not be asked to provide ID, but because I'm younger spending $500 they ask me to provide ID....

2) Because Visa/MC TOS state that I do not need to provide ID so long as the signature matches the back of the one on my card. Retailers agreed that if they accept Visa/MC then they will abide by these, but by requiring ID to complete a purchase they violate them.
Message 33 of 44
Anonymous
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Re: CC Fraud !


@Anonymous wrote:

2) Because Visa/MC TOS state that I do not need to provide ID so long as the signature matches the back of the one on my card. Retailers agreed that if they accept Visa/MC then they will abide by these, but by requiring ID to complete a purchase they violate them.

They are following the agreement with Visa. They are not requiring you to provide the Id in order to use the Visa/MC they are requiring you to provide an Id to complete the purchase. Like you said in a previous post, they carded you even for a cash purchase.

 

All Visa cares about is that they do not require an Id to use the card when it is signed. After that, they can require an Id for anything they want, including completing the pruchase...

Message 34 of 44
Anonymous
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Re: CC Fraud !

Starz- For the cash purchase that was one situation.

But for the other dozens of transactions where the issue was that I would not provide ID to match my card they would not accept the card without proof of ID...

By "complete the purchase" I mean they will not go further in the transaction without providing ID that will match the card.
Message 35 of 44
Anonymous
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Re: CC Fraud !

Matt, given how rampant CC fraud seems to be in your part of the country - I googled just now and found a lot of stories, including at least one astonishing one where somebody had actually managed to sneak a card skimmer into a gas pump at a Circle K station in Fontana - I admire your stand on principle, but I don't think you're going to get much of anywhere, and you're certainly not going to be able to transact a lot of the purchases that you want to, at this point, if you insist that merchants honor that interpretation of Visa/MC's TOS.As Starz26 pointed out, merchants are, by their lights, honoring the TOS; they're not requiring you to show ID to use the card, they're requiring you to show ID to complete the sale. It's a very narrow distinction, I agree, but it's a real one considering that you're being required to show ID even for cash purchases.

 

I agree that it does seem unfair that you're being singled out on account of your age, but I don't know what data merchants and law-enforcement agencies in the LA region are using for this policy. For all I know, the data may indeed show that a disproportionate number of the people caught and convicted for CC fraud in that area are, say, under 30 or 35, and if that's the case, then they can point to that data as justification for making younger people show their ID's. As you yourself found out when you called the police on one such occasion, stores can set any policies they want for completing transactions as long as it doesn't violate the applicable state, local or federal laws.Visa and MC's TOS'es are policies set by private commercial entities, not governmental statutes, and they're not enforceable by governmental agencies. It's unfortunate that honest people like yourself are being caught up in this and put to additional trouble, and I sympathize, but given the facts as far as I have been able to determine them, I'm very much afraid that all you can do if you want to make the transactions and purchases you want to make is do as the merchants ask.

Message 36 of 44
Anonymous
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Re: CC Fraud !

Joe - I believe that when Starz made that statement they were pointing to the internal restrictions for giftcard purchases in terms of requiring ID.

So are you saying that the ID is not required to pay for purchases or it is?

Also, legally they cannot discriminate (treat someone differently) because of their age. By say requiring ID for someone who is 24, but not requiring ID for someone who is say 44 that is the legal definition of discrimination.

I'm not going to spend months or years to draw it out in a state or federal court, but any rational person would agree.

Also, businesses cannot refuse service based solely on a discriminatory practice, ill pull 60 pieces of case law showing that within an hour...it would be the exact same as if someone reserved a table for 5 at a restaurant 3 White people sat down and said the other two would be there soon, the other 2 come 1 Black male and 1 Asian male. Shortly after the other 2 come the manager pulls out the sign stating they have the right to refuse service and that they need to leave.

That's refusing service based on a discriminatory practice which is illegal.

And yes I've heard of the gas station incident, Visa/MC's insurance reimburses for any fraud not the merchant so I don't really understand why the merchant would feel so strangely, yes it's a pain but at the cost of driving away business and making consumers worry.

Message 37 of 44
Anonymous
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Re: CC Fraud !

Wow. I didn't expect so many comments. I haven't been around in a couple months. But can you believe it. I filed a police report in Portland, still need to in milwaikie OREGON, never heard of it either.

The thing is. I never. I don't have it sock drawered exactly, I've been trying to get some various expenditures, dental, christmas, almost all the way paid down, just a month or so, and then once I tapped the intro 0% APR period on my citi DC in may I was going to get a sweet balance transfer over at Discover. Even with this hastle, I love having as many credit cards as I do. It means I have options. Make them beg for my bizniz.

Message 38 of 44
Anonymous
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Re: CC Fraud !

I feel safe having a store ask to see my ID.. Although I have not been asked to show it when using my cards even at 19 years old... I know Kohls goes heavy on checking ID when you use your Kohls Charge...

I got an interesting disclosure from Wells Fargo today, telling me anyone could make transactions on my checking account if they wanted WTH! The letter said if I sent it back with my written signature this could be avoided? That's neither here nor there but it'd be nice if Wells Fargo cared enough to check ID an not threaten to let anyone withdrawal from my account if they wanted....
Message 39 of 44
Anonymous
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Re: CC Fraud !

I hated the tone and requirements of that signature letter so much I closed my Wells Fargo checking account.

I can't believe they had the audacity to state they would approve any charges without a signature card and they would make me liable. For one, they don't verify signatures to approve a transaction via debit. They were also requiring me to fill out a form and agree to additional terms just to return my signature. Total crap.
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