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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: CC utilization question

In Credit Card Speak,

Utilization refers to how much of something you are using, utilization of the CL in percentage terms for example.

Usage is just outright, did you use the card for a purchase this month or not, regardless of amounts.

 

Most often we discuss utilization as a percentage of available credit, because there is an underlying assumption that the cardholder used the card to get there. Your topic is "how long can I go without using my card".

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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ecxpa
Valued Contributor

Re: CC utilization question


@NRB525 wrote:

In Credit Card Speak,

Utilization refers to how much of something you are using, utilization of the CL in percentage terms for example.

Usage is just outright, did you use the card for a purchase this month or not, regardless of amounts.

 

Most often we discuss utilization as a percentage of available credit, because there is an underlying assumption that the cardholder used the card to get there. Your topic is "how long can I go without using my card".


Sorry but your crystal ball is all fogged up.  If  my question was  "how long can I go without using my card" I would have asked that question.......don't try to put words in my mouth.  You definition of usage and utilization is confusing also.......seems to me you are talking about percentage of credit line for utilization and I understand this but to me utilization of something means to use it......and to use something means to utilize it.  Just semantincs I am sure but I am not into legalese.....sorry for not being as articulate as you

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Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: CC utilization question


@NRB525 wrote:

In Credit Card Speak,

Utilization refers to how much of something you are using, utilization of the CL in percentage terms for example.

Usage is just outright, did you use the card for a purchase this month or not, regardless of amounts.

 

Most often we discuss utilization as a percentage of available credit, because there is an underlying assumption that the cardholder used the card to get there. Your topic is "how long can I go without using my card".


So basically.

 

 

 

Don't max out your cards.

Message 13 of 26
Chris679
Established Contributor

Re: CC utilization question


@ecxpa wrote:

@Chris679 wrote:
I agree with the above, I don't think cash advance is ever a good idea. Should be only when you need it which should be never.

I agree with the first part of your answer but not the last part........what if you are stranded somewhere without cash....after all that's what the cash advance feature is for isn't it?


The cash advance feature is a way for the CCC to take advantage of someone who allows themselves to be put into this position.  They do that by charging crazy high fees and interest with no grace period.  You should use an ATM card for this.  Obviously you gotta do what you gotta do but there are much better alternatives.

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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: CC utilization question


@Chris679 wrote:

@ecxpa wrote:

@Chris679 wrote:
I agree with the above, I don't think cash advance is ever a good idea. Should be only when you need it which should be never.

I agree with the first part of your answer but not the last part........what if you are stranded somewhere without cash....after all that's what the cash advance feature is for isn't it?


The cash advance feature is a way for the CCC to take advantage of someone who allows themselves to be put into this position.  They do that by charging crazy high fees and interest with no grace period.  You should use an ATM card for this.  Obviously you gotta do what you gotta do but there are much better alternatives.


except in an emergency, ecxpa's example scenario.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
Message 15 of 26
Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: CC utilization question

If you really had to do this, do it with discover. No fee for cash back at checkout. Like a billion places where you can do it, and it posts like a purchase. Same interest rate and the clock doesnt start immediately. But honestly if you are pulling cash out of a card it might be time to rethink some things. Then again i have a bank thats open 7 days a week.  I suppose if I were locked in a central american jail I would pull cash off of a card, but beyond that I cant think of a good reason.

For usage, just do something you have to do anyway. Buy a pack of gum. Go to panera. Get a car wash. Buy me a nice present. Its 2015, making a payment as soon as the transaction posts takes all of 45 seconds unless you cant remember your password Smiley Mad

Im not an AA paranoid, but if I were a credit card issuer I would wonder about someone getting cash advances. There arent many places that dont take cards these days, so its either for drugs or lapdances in my very vivid imagination. As a card issuer Im worried about either of those.

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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: CC utilization question


@ecxpa wrote:

@NRB525 wrote:

In Credit Card Speak,

Utilization refers to how much of something you are using, utilization of the CL in percentage terms for example.

Usage is just outright, did you use the card for a purchase this month or not, regardless of amounts.

 

Most often we discuss utilization as a percentage of available credit, because there is an underlying assumption that the cardholder used the card to get there. Your topic is "how long can I go without using my card".


Sorry but your crystal ball is all fogged up.  If  my question was  "how long can I go without using my card" I would have asked that question.......don't try to put words in my mouth.  You definition of usage and utilization is confusing also.......seems to me you are talking about percentage of credit line for utilization and I understand this but to me utilization of something means to use it......and to use something means to utilize it.  Just semantincs I am sure but I am not into legalese.....sorry for not being as articulate as you


I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, I'm trying to share how we define utilization vs usage in the context of credit cards.

 

You can keep the title as is, but don't be surprised with outlier comments like Nixon's (which is off topic btw) Smiley Tongue

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
Message 17 of 26
ecxpa
Valued Contributor

Re: CC utilization question

I'm afraid the focus for this question has gotten lost.  Maybe my question wasn't clear in the first place.  I just want to know if you are trying to get a CLI on a particular card, would getting a  cash advances on that card once or twice a month be looked at by the lender the same as charges.  I know there are high fees and such.  I do not NEED to get cash advance off the card, I have several debit cards but I'm just trying to show some spend on a couple of Cap1 cards with low CL.  They have denied me CLI's because of low usage/utilization whatever the correct term is.    They have AF's so I am loosing money on them anyway......planning to axe them if I don't get CLI. 

 

 

Thankx for all the input and insight.

Message 18 of 26
NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: CC utilization question

Yah, I like totally did not get that from your OP. Sorry.

 

If you want a CLI, my general opinion is you want to show heavy usage, and high utilization of the card. This works better on small limit cards, $300 - $2,000 just because higher utilization of larger limit cards is just more difficult to manage. One also has to have a realistic expectation of how much CLI can be obtained. Certain types of cards like CapOne "early builder" cards seem to have a wheel boot that keeps them from growing. Others, like AMEX, could care less whether you max it out, the 3x CLI seems to be only contingent on making the payments on time. YMMV

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
Message 19 of 26
Chris679
Established Contributor

Re: CC utilization question


@ecxpa wrote:

I'm afraid the focus for this question has gotten lost.  Maybe my question wasn't clear in the first place.  I just want to know if you are trying to get a CLI on a particular card, would getting a  cash advances on that card once or twice a month be looked at by the lender the same as charges.  I know there are high fees and such.  I do not NEED to get cash advance off the card, I have several debit cards but I'm just trying to show some spend on a couple of Cap1 cards with low CL.  They have denied me CLI's because of low usage/utilization whatever the correct term is.    They have AF's so I am loosing money on them anyway......planning to axe them if I don't get CLI. 

 

 

Thankx for all the input and insight.


Cap One cards aren't really going to grow with you.  If you don't use the card and it has an AF it seems like a no brainer to close the card, how does a CLI change things?

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