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@Anonymous wrote:
I thought you could either have the CSR or the CSP, not both without being an AU?
Quite possible OP got both Sapphire cards before Chase instituted the new "can only have one Sapphire" rule. Also, there were some limited datapoints of being able to app and get approved for both even after that rule.
@simplynoir wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
I thought you could either have the CSR or the CSP, not both without being an AU?Quite possible OP got both Sapphire cards before Chase instituted the new "can only have one Sapphire" rule. Also, there were some limited datapoints of being able to app and get approved for both even after that rule.
That's right. I've had the CSP for three or four years now; got the CSR in February '17, a few months before the "there can only be one" rule went into effect. Chase didn't extend new credit when I opened my CSR, just moved $10K from my Hyatt line (which I wasn't using at the time).
@tacpoly wrote:
I suggest you try a cash-only existence for a while. I mean, it’s a long way to the end of the year. Either you racked up a lot of debt really quickly or you carried a lot of it from the end of the year even after you got your big bonus.
I think you have to ask yourself if you can truly afford to carry that amount of debt.
You are absolutely right. To be clear, it was a combination of carrying some of it over, and then racking new debt on top of that. I've had a sense that I've been mismanaging my money for some time, but this was the jolt that I needed to get moving.
I can get the utilization levels down to healthy levels (<30%, even) by this time next year, assuming, fingers crossed, no more CLDs and no other surprises. I know the adjustments that I need to make in my life; now's the time to tighten belts and make them. No more extraneous travel, cut down on the eating out (and, conversely, learning how to cook), etc. In researching the consequences of a CLD, I've learned a lot in the last 24 hours (just from this forum alone, even). Truth be told, if I were Chase, I'd be spooked, too - the CSP debt alone should've raised major alarm bells. I just thought, "Oh, that has the lowest interest rate, I can keep min payments on that while focusing on other debt" - I had no idea 90% was maxing out, etc. I know now, and I know what I need to do to change.
I'm not waiting for the big payday to clear off my debts - my DTI even without the bonus is <40%. I know I've been spending recklessly, and as I said, this is the stern kick in the butt that I've needed for years. This morning, I went through my recurring payments and cut $100/month in dumb recurring spending - things I can do easily without but have just had for no justifiable reason. I plan on making more cuts like this - I just need to persist in holding myself accountable. I went rewards chasing and opened up a bunch of cards that make no sense for me (I'm an AA/Starriott loyalist, and CSR/CSP/Hyatt make no sense for me even with CSR being 3x for travel/dining). And now I realize I'm dangerously close to screwing up my financial life, and that I need to make an about face. I just can't do it overnight, and I hope my other lenders won't follow suit (because a chain of CLDs will not be good for me in the short term).
To that end, I'm going to focus on paying down other lenders first, so they don't get spooked. I can see why Chase got spooked, but my biggest debt load is with them - I'm not going to fix that overnight. My utilization with other lenders is lower - so I'm going to start with them while slowly working on the Chase debt.
And thanks to everyone who's chimed in.
I have completely dug myself out of debt in the last year. I did it by taking all of my cards out of my wallet and just not buying *anything* that wasn't necessary for life. I carried cash and when I ran out, I ran out. We ate out of the freezer, played games on the weekend and stayed out of the stores. (Costco is a killer for me. My husband is a saver; I now send him for the milk and rotisserie chicken so I don't come home with a new vacuum, a toaster oven and 5 new pieces of clothing.)
Did the snowball thing for a while, and then got a personal loan. I've hammered that loan for months...and poof...I'm done. My debt wasn't as big as yours, but neither is my income. Live like a monk for a year, and you'll be done. And then all that money that goes to interest is YOURS. It's a great feeling. I still use CC's for rewards, but I now treat them like a debit card and pay them as I use them.
It is nice to have lots of credit available but having credit available does not mean you can pay it off guaranteed. It is good that you got a reality check from Chase. Generally most lenders are more concerned that they are paid on time and as agreed. Chase is however a slightly different beast. You see they will offer slightly larger credit lines while happily taking the lead from any other lender except they will closely monitor what you do with them. The 5/24 rule did not come up from thin air. In your case Chase was your largest lender and while Chase was happy you were using your credit lines they were concerned that in the event of your demise they will be stuck with most of your debt. This resulted in your less than pleasing phone call since they knew that you needed to be put in check. As the largest bank in the US by deposits Chase has money to burn but they will not allow you to burn it for them if they can help it.