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@Namaste7 wrote:
I closed the card. I didn't hold other cards with Barclay and nor did I plan too. I saw better growth with cards from other issuers. With the change to the rewards structure, I was better off closing the card and opening up CLI space for my existing portfolio. No regrets--except I should have never opened the FOTM card to begin with!Well, while you should never open FOTM cards without evaluation, there was nothing wrong with the Uber card until recently (well, until Feb 2020 I guess). 4% on restaurants year round with no cap and with no AF was very good. If you got it early enough to make use of it, not a poor choice at all. We all need to be prepared for bad things to happen to our good cards, just a fact of credit life.
Don't be surprised if we see other changes to rewards cards in 2020, similar to what the Uber card did. Impact might be higher on points cards. I don't like points cards for that reason. But it can happen with cash back cards too. I think we hit peak on rewards, and rewards have been crazy as card companies fought over market share in the "new credit card market" (rewards cards, linked card structure, multiple cards by a single issuer). Its just an opinion, but I don't think the lucrative rewards will last forever.
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@Anonymous wrote:
@Namaste7 wrote:
I closed the card. I didn't hold other cards with Barclay and nor did I plan too. I saw better growth with cards from other issuers. With the change to the rewards structure, I was better off closing the card and opening up CLI space for my existing portfolio. No regrets--except I should have never opened the FOTM card to begin with!Well, while you should never open FOTM cards without evaluation, there was nothing wrong with the Uber card until recently (well, until Feb 2020 I guess). 4% on restaurants year round with no cap and with no AF was very good. If you got it early enough to make use of it, not a poor choice at all. We all need to be prepared for bad things to happen to our good cards, just a fact of credit life.
Don't be surprised if we see other changes to rewards cards in 2020, similar to what the Uber card did. Impact might be higher on points cards. I don't like points cards for that reason. But it can happen with cash back cards too. I think we hit peak on rewards, and rewards have been crazy as card companies fought over market share in the "new credit card market" (rewards cards, linked card structure, multiple cards by a single issuer). Its just an opinion, but I don't think the lucrative rewards will last forever.
Until there is a strong economic downturn, my guess is that there will always be some issuers going for market share (Citizen's Bank 5% on everything being a recent example). And while cards get nerfed, there is (much less often!) movement in the other direction. Amex BCP is a good example, where they added some 6% and 3% categories without changing the AF. (The Amex charge cards also saw some positive changes, but generally with an AF increase). An older example is Chase Amazon going from 3% to 5% for prime users (and adding Whole Foods when acquired!) Plus cards make minor improvements such as dropping FTF
I am just wary about "rewards have peaked", thinking back to the intro of the Double Cash. Many here doubted a 2% non-Amex card could survive. Now there are several alternatives. Again, with a sharp downturn issuers will definitely cut back, but until then, there are always bright sparks in issuers marketing departments who think they have come up with a killer idea, some are good, others lose money!
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@Anonymous wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
@Namaste7 wrote:
I closed the card. I didn't hold other cards with Barclay and nor did I plan too. I saw better growth with cards from other issuers. With the change to the rewards structure, I was better off closing the card and opening up CLI space for my existing portfolio. No regrets--except I should have never opened the FOTM card to begin with!Well, while you should never open FOTM cards without evaluation, there was nothing wrong with the Uber card until recently (well, until Feb 2020 I guess). 4% on restaurants year round with no cap and with no AF was very good. If you got it early enough to make use of it, not a poor choice at all. We all need to be prepared for bad things to happen to our good cards, just a fact of credit life.
Don't be surprised if we see other changes to rewards cards in 2020, similar to what the Uber card did. Impact might be higher on points cards. I don't like points cards for that reason. But it can happen with cash back cards too. I think we hit peak on rewards, and rewards have been crazy as card companies fought over market share in the "new credit card market" (rewards cards, linked card structure, multiple cards by a single issuer). Its just an opinion, but I don't think the lucrative rewards will last forever.
Until there is a strong economic downturn, my guess is that there will always be some issuers going for market share (Citizen's Bank 5% on everything being a recent example). And while cards get nerfed, there is (much less often!) movement in the other direction. Amex BCP is a good example, where they added some 6% and 3% categories without changing the AF. (The Amex charge cards also saw some positive changes, but generally with an AF increase). An older example is Chase Amazon going from 3% to 5% for prime users (and adding Whole Foods when acquired!) Plus cards make minor improvements such as dropping FTF
I am just wary about "rewards have peaked", thinking back to the intro of the Double Cash. Many here doubted a 2% non-Amex card could survive. Now there are several alternatives. Again, with a sharp downturn issuers will definitely cut back, but until then, there are always bright sparks in issuers marketing departments who think they have come up with a killer idea, some are good, others lose money!
An economic downturn will certainly accelerate it. We'll see. I'm looking more like changes/cuts that are smaller. The Uber change is a good example. It really is a cut in benefits because you are forced to use Uber dollars now. It's a limitation with restricted benefits. Like blackout dates for airline rewards.
Doesn't look like an economic downturn will happen in 2020, but I still think we'll see some changes.
Based on merchant fees ranging from 2.3-3.9% in most cases, 2% rewards rate looks sustainable, but only to the best credit risks. 3% is harder to sustain. 4% isn't sustainable long term. It's more like an "introductory rate" for the new rewards card era.
But it's just an opinion. Given those numbers, one can see how card companies can be squeezed.
On the other hand, deals/offers may expand. Card companies love those. You can load up on those every month and they will love you more. Use a card for only the rotating 5% categories, not so much love.
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@Namaste7 wrote:
I closed the card. I didn't hold other cards with Barclay and I did not plan to add more. I saw better growth with cards from other issuers. With the change to the rewards structure, I was better off closing the card and opening up CLI space for my existing portfolio. No regrets--except I should have never opened the FOTM card to begin with!Well, while you should never open FOTM cards without evaluation, there was nothing wrong with the Uber card until recently (well, until Feb 2020 I guess). 4% on restaurants year round with no cap and with no AF was very good. If you got it early enough to make use of it, not a poor choice at all. We all need to be prepared for bad things to happen to our good cards, just a fact of credit life.
@Anonymous - I did not mean to insinuate that the original Uber card reward structure was bad--it was the rewards structure that attracted me to the card. Overtime, my other accounts grew at a faster rate and I put more of my travel and dining spend on those cards. Realizing I was not vested in a more robust relationship with Barclays it made sense for me to close the card; I made that decision prior to the announcement of the change in the reward structure. For other reasons, I am better off closing dormant accounts rather than keep them opening.
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On the other hand, deals/offers may expand. Card companies love those. You can load up on those every month and they will love you more. Use a card for only the rotating 5% categories, not so much love.
As you know, not everyone agrees with that! And why is using deals, which are often more than 5% better?
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@Anonymous wrote:
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On the other hand, deals/offers may expand. Card companies love those. You can load up on those every month and they will love you more. Use a card for only the rotating 5% categories, not so much love.
As you know, not everyone agrees with that! And why is using deals, which are often more than 5% better?
I know not everyone agrees. I will try to get a definitive answer on that.
As for deals/offers, the merchant pays for all or most of the discount. There are some exceptions.
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@Anonymous wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
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On the other hand, deals/offers may expand. Card companies love those. You can load up on those every month and they will love you more. Use a card for only the rotating 5% categories, not so much love.
As you know, not everyone agrees with that! And why is using deals, which are often more than 5% better?
I know not everyone agrees. I will try to get a definitive answer on that.
As for deals/offers, the merchant pays for all or most of the discount. There are some exceptions.
Speaking of deals, I had stopped using my Cash App card once they removed 10% on Whole Foods. However, yesterday I saw they had a special offer, $10 off ANYTHING, ANYWHERE costing more than $10. So I did a $10.02 (meant to do $10.01, but oh well) load to Amazon, and was charged 2c. Need more of those!
Re "definitive answer", you must know that that isn't going to happen, unless you can talk to someone who has coded the relevant part for a particular issuer, or get honest answers from risk/fraud/security people. If a generic CSR offers anything, I can't imagine anything more than "We would prefer that people use the card for all their purchases, but we will not take action against someone only using for 5%" And you can't trust even that! But maybe you can prove me wrong
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@Anonymous wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
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On the other hand, deals/offers may expand. Card companies love those. You can load up on those every month and they will love you more. Use a card for only the rotating 5% categories, not so much love.
As you know, not everyone agrees with that! And why is using deals, which are often more than 5% better?
I know not everyone agrees. I will try to get a definitive answer on that.
As for deals/offers, the merchant pays for all or most of the discount. There are some exceptions.
Speaking of deals, I had stopped using my Cash App card once they removed 10% on Whole Foods. However, yesterday I saw they had a special offer, $10 off ANYTHING, ANYWHERE costing more than $10. So I did a $10.02 (meant to do $10.01, but oh well) load to Amazon, and was charged 2c. Need more of those!
Re "definitive answer", you must know that that isn't going to happen, unless you can talk to someone who has coded the relevant part for a particular issuer, or get honest answers from risk/fraud/security people. If a generic CSR offers anything, I can't imagine anything more than "We would prefer that people use the card for all their purchases, but we will not take action against someone only using for 5%" And you can't trust even that! But maybe you can prove me wrong
I know I can't trust what a CSR will say and take it as gospel. There will have to be other means and may take a while. We need a card company to bail out, and then some research and article explaining what happened. One we might find in the WSJ for example.
But card companies can't charge 6% merchant fees to be profitable with only 5% offerings. I believe the old Amex cards charged over 7% at one time, and we saw what happened. No one wanted to take them. They still have that stigma today with merchants, even though they are competitive now.
Charging 3% and paying out 5%, and only 5% isn't sustainable in my opinion. DISCOVER and CF have those kinds of customers.
Just cancelled mine. Feels nice to be free of Barclays and in my case, co-branded credit cards. It was fun while it lasted, but I'll never make that mistake again.
12k CL replaced with 3k and 5k CLIs on my Citi DC and Amex BCE, respectively, and a 14k SL on my new US Bank Cash+. As a rewards replacement, WF Propel will likely be my next app sometime in the next 6-12 months. Although, I'm also considering one of the BOA cards.
@Anonymous wrote:Just cancelled mine. Feels nice to be free of Barclays and in my case, co-branded credit cards. It was fun while it lasted, but I'll never make that mistake again.
12k CL replaced with 3k and 5k CLIs on my Citi DC and Amex BCE, respectively, and a 14k SL on my new US Bank Cash+. As a rewards replacement, WF Propel will likely be my next app sometime in the next 6-12 months. Although, I'm also considering one of the BOA cards.
Just did the final cashout on my Uber for a statement credit. I think I was good to Feb. but just wanted to be done with it and I have a Savor One for 3% dining. Don't feel bad about co-branded cards, this is a Barclays thing this do over & over - launch a new card with generous rewards and they figure out (yet again) that most folks who get reward cards actually use them for the rewards and carefully pay in full so no interest charges for Barclays so the lose money on the card.
But I'm sticking with Barclays, been with them since early 2012 and no problems. My other Barclays card is my original Rewards MC that I use to pay my electric bill for 2% rewards, I'm surprised they haven't nerfed it yet as it's been closed for new apps for years. It has a $10k CL and Uber has $6k. My other useless card is Amex Everyday also w/$6k CL, Membership Rewards don't work for me as I very rarely travel. My Netflix sub will alternate between Uber & Everyday to keep it active. It works, I kept my no fee Merrick Bank Visa alive for years with only Netflix, until I finally let it go earlier this year.