Capital One soft pulling ChexSystems data for Credit Cards?

[AndrewF]

I noticed on Experian, under "soft pulls" it showed "CAPITALONE/CHEXSYSTEMSREPORT" under the soft pulls on the dates that me and my spouse applied for Capital One credit cards.

In my case it also shows the date I opened a 360 Checking.

Is this just how their preapproval soft pull comes up or are they checking deposit account history for credit card approvals now?

[1lifeisworthit]

I think they have done, for years.

It pulled my CHEX 5 years ago.

It must be one way they can be a nonpredatory rebuild option, even for those who've burned them. "Well, we already know they have terrible credit. Let's see if their banking behaviour has been OK lately. If they've managed their debit cards and they have regular income, we'll consider it"

[AndrewF]

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@1lifeisworthit wrote:

I think they have done, for years.

It pulled my CHEX 5 years ago.

It must be one way they can be a nonpredatory rebuild option, even for those who've burned them. "Well, we already know they have terrible credit. Let's see if their banking behaviour has been OK lately. If they've managed their debit cards and they have regular income, we'll consider it"

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I don't think Chex says anything about your income. It just says things like how many bank accounts have you opened and did they close owing the bank money and stuff. Also, are you going  around asking  for opening bonuses and then doing it more and more.

It's a good way to spot churners and people who overdraft and don't take care of it.

[crystal626]

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@AndrewF wrote:

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@1lifeisworthit wrote:

I think they have done, for years.

It pulled my CHEX 5 years ago.

It must be one way they can be a nonpredatory rebuild option, even for those who've burned them. "Well, we already know they have terrible credit. Let's see if their banking behaviour has been OK lately. If they've managed their debit cards and they have regular income, we'll consider it"

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I don't think Chex says anything about your income. It just says things like how many bank accounts have you opened and did they close owing the bank money and stuff. Also, are you going  around asking  for opening bonuses and then doing it more and more.

It's a good way to spot churners and people who overdraft and don't take care of it.

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They get your transactions (which includes deposits which gives them an idea of your income) and account balances from Early Warning Services (if your bank/CU offers Zelle, it's highly likely that they're furnishing at least some of this info if not outright reporting every ACH in or out) while Chex logs new deposit accounts that don't necessarily report to EWS along with unpaid overdrafts.

[AndrewF]

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@crystal626 wrote:

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@AndrewF wrote:

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@1lifeisworthit wrote:

I think they have done, for years.

It pulled my CHEX 5 years ago.

It must be one way they can be a nonpredatory rebuild option, even for those who've burned them. "Well, we already know they have terrible credit. Let's see if their banking behaviour has been OK lately. If they've managed their debit cards and they have regular income, we'll consider it"

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I don't think Chex says anything about your income. It just says things like how many bank accounts have you opened and did they close owing the bank money and stuff. Also, are you going  around asking  for opening bonuses and then doing it more and more.

It's a good way to spot churners and people who overdraft and don't take care of it.

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They get your transactions (which includes deposits which gives them an idea of your income) and account balances from Early Warning Services (if your bank/CU offers Zelle, it's highly likely that they're furnishing at least some of this info if not outright reporting every ACH in or out) while Chex logs new deposit accounts that don't necessarily report to EWS along with unpaid overdrafts.

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I don't use Zelle. Too much fraud. Also, I had an incompetent landlord 10 years ago that kept ignoring the emails that I'd sent her money until Zelle just put it back in my account then she said I didn't pay her, so I told her that she was getting a check from then on.

I wonder if Zelle gives EWS this sort of info even if you're not signed up for Zelle. I never signed this phone number or email up.

It doesn't surprise me that banks are quietly using other things in the background to gauge how much money you really have.

Every once in a while, someone who signs up for an AmEx will have American Express demand to be connected to their bank account before approval can proceed, they usually do this in cases where the credit report is not a clear case for approval but they might if you have plenty of money. I'm thinking if there was an automated way for them to do this, wouldn't they just do that instead?

[crystal626]

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@AndrewF wrote:

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@crystal626 wrote:

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@AndrewF wrote:

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@1lifeisworthit wrote:

I think they have done, for years.

It pulled my CHEX 5 years ago.

It must be one way they can be a nonpredatory rebuild option, even for those who've burned them. "Well, we already know they have terrible credit. Let's see if their banking behaviour has been OK lately. If they've managed their debit cards and they have regular income, we'll consider it"

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I don't think Chex says anything about your income. It just says things like how many bank accounts have you opened and did they close owing the bank money and stuff. Also, are you going  around asking  for opening bonuses and then doing it more and more.

It's a good way to spot churners and people who overdraft and don't take care of it.

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They get your transactions (which includes deposits which gives them an idea of your income) and account balances from Early Warning Services (if your bank/CU offers Zelle, it's highly likely that they're furnishing at least some of this info if not outright reporting every ACH in or out) while Chex logs new deposit accounts that don't necessarily report to EWS along with unpaid overdrafts.

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I don't use Zelle. Too much fraud. Also, I had an incompetent landlord 10 years ago that kept ignoring the emails that I'd sent her money until Zelle just put it back in my account then she said I didn't pay her, so I told her that she was getting a check from then on.

I wonder if Zelle gives EWS this sort of info even if you're not signed up for Zelle. I never signed this phone number or email up.

It doesn't surprise me that banks are quietly using other things in the background to gauge how much money you really have.

Every once in a while, someone who signs up for an AmEx will have American Express demand to be connected to their bank account before approval can proceed, they usually do this in cases where the credit report is not a clear case for approval but they might if you have plenty of money. I'm thinking if there was an automated way for them to do this, wouldn't they just do that instead?

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Yes, Early Warning Services collects this data whether you use Zelle or not. My pointing out Zelle is because it's a product of Early Warning Services so if your bank/CU supports it, it's highly likely they're sharing at least some data about your transactions. Early Warning is jointly owned by BoA, Capital One, Chase, PNC, Truist, US Bank, and Wells Fargo so at a minimum, any of those banks are sharing that data. I pulled my report one time and was shocked at just how much info was on there, especially given that they're not considered a credit reporting agency so you can't opt out!

[zerofire]

I am not surprised. We are talking about Capital One here, home of the triple pull. I would not be surprised if they looked into how you manage your checking and savings to guess how you would pay their cards. Someone has to offer second chances to the downtrodden. Capital One just knows how to do it better than most.