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Confused - should I PIF before or after statement cuts?

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Confused - should I PIF before or after statement cuts?

I've read so much that I've now confused myself, so I thought I'd just post my exact situation and see what you all recommend.

 

I've been recently discharged of a BK7 and am now starting to rebuild my credit. Let's just say I have 3 cards that I will use monthly and PIF.

 

Card 1 - $1000-1500 monthly spending - $2000 limit

 

Card 2 - $30-50 monthly spending - $1000 limit

 

Card 3 - $10-15 monthly spending - $300 limit

 

Should I PIF before or after statement cuts? Should I apply the same rules to all 3 cards (or should I pay some prior to statement, some after?)?

 

My concern with PIF before statement cuts is that if I always show no or only a very small balance on my CR, how am I proving to other creditors that I can trusted borrow and repay? My CR will only reflect small balances being paid.

 

My concern with PIF after statement cuts, particularly on card 1, is that assuming my monthly spending remains the same, it'll appear that I always have a 1000-1500 balance, basically not giving me credit for PIF every month.

 

If it matters any, I have no big applications in the near future (house or car), only potentially some new cards in a few months.

 

What would you do? Reading this site has changed me so much (for the better!) but probably also made me a little too obsessive!

 

Thanks in advance for the advice.

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Re: Confused - should I PIF before or after statement cuts?

For credit score optimization, most people recommend that you use your cards as you would normally, then PIF all except for one card, which should report a balance giving you <10% utilization. 


@Anonymous wrote:

 

What would you do? Reading this site has changed me so much (for the better!) but probably also made me a little too obsessive!


 That's pretty typical of a good chunk of users on here Smiley Happy  you're in good company!

 

Since you don't have any big applications coming up, this level of detail probably doesn't matter too much; your scores will fluctuate from month to month due to changes in util, but if you're planning on applying for a card try to follow the strategy above to maximize your scores.  Otherwise, there's no harm in PIF after statement cut, since util has no memory (literally the next month your score will go back up once you've paid those balances.

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@Anonymous wrote:

For credit score optimization, most people recommend that you use your cards as you would normally, then PIF all except for one card, which should report a balance giving you <10% utilization. 


@Anonymous wrote:

 

What would you do? Reading this site has changed me so much (for the better!) but probably also made me a little too obsessive!


 That's pretty typical of a good chunk of users on here Smiley Happy  you're in good company!

 

Since you don't have any big applications coming up, this level of detail probably doesn't matter too much; your scores will fluctuate from month to month due to changes in util, but if you're planning on applying for a card try to follow the strategy above to maximize your scores.  Otherwise, there's no harm in PIF after statement cut, since util has no memory (literally the next month your score will go back up once you've paid those balances.


But the question for O.P. (and me) - do you recommend PIF before statement cuts or before due date?

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Anonymous
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Re: Confused - should I PIF before or after statement cuts?


@Anonymous wrote:

But the question for O.P. (and me) - do you recommend PIF before statement cuts or before due date?


Honestly I think that as long as you PIF and you're not applying for anything, it's really just personal preference:

 

  • if you want your FICO score to be its absolute highest at all times, then PIF on all but one card before statements cut;
  • if you don't mind the score fluctuations due to util % and want to milk the grace period so you keep your money with you as long as possible, then PIF by the due date

The one exception would probably be if your overall util (or on any individual card) is over 30%; I'm pretty sure the bureaus don't like that.  In that case I would recommend paying enough before the statement cuts so that your util is at least under the 30%.

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NRB525
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Re: Confused - should I PIF before or after statement cuts?


@Anonymous wrote:

 

Card 1 - $1000-1500 monthly spending - $2000 limit

 

Card 2 - $30-50 monthly spending - $1000 limit

 

Card 3 - $10-15 monthly spending - $300 limit

 

 


Which credit cards are these? Are you giving up rewards by not allocating spend to the proper categories (assuming those are available) ?

 

If you are not apping anything in the near term, use the cards as you normally would, for rewards or spend timing, let them report the balance amount, then PIF by the payment due date printed on the statement.

 

If you see an app coming up, then time each card so that you start to reduce statement-displayed utilization by paying some prior to statement cut, but don't overdo it. As noted, you want at least one card reporting a balance, you don't want a time period where no cards are reporting any balance.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
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Re: Confused - should I PIF before or after statement cuts?

The only card of the 3 that has any sort of benefit/reward is card #1, which is a Capital One QS1 (1.5% cashback), which is why it will get the most use (it also happens to have the highest CL).

 

So, are my concerns about paying in full prior to statement (NEVER showing a large balance on CR) or not paying in full prior to statement (appearing to always carry a 1000-1500 balance) not worth worrying about, then?

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NRB525
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Re: Confused - should I PIF before or after statement cuts?

Yes, you have other things to worry about.

I let the balances report where they are. When you know an app is coming up, you can decide how much reduction you want to do by paying prior to statement. Anything below 50% on a single card will give you some bump in scores, going below 30% on a card is another level. Below that? probably not much gain for the effort.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
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Re: Confused - should I PIF before or after statement cuts?


@Anonymous wrote:

The only card of the 3 that has any sort of benefit/reward is card #1, which is a Capital One QS1 (1.5% cashback), which is why it will get the most use (it also happens to have the highest CL).

 

So, are my concerns about paying in full prior to statement (NEVER showing a large balance on CR) or not paying in full prior to statement (appearing to always carry a 1000-1500 balance) not worth worrying about, then?


By my calculations, that's up to 75% util on one card and nearly 50% total util.  I don't have personal experience with reporting util % that high, but if you want to be safe you can just make one payment ahead of time that lowers the reporting balances to under 30% (aka <$600 reporting on the QS1).

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Anonymous
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Re: Confused - should I PIF before or after statement cuts?

Thanks for the tips everyone.

 

What I think I will do is simply PIF all of the cards besides the QS1 prior to statement cut. I'll also pay down the QS1 to less than 30% utilization prior to statement cut.

 

When I am ready to apply for any new cards, I will PIF every card prior to statement cut. The only new cards I really want to get in the next year would be the next-tier Capital One cards, who I'm sure will know how much I spend/pay every month since 99% of my spending will go through the QS1.

 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: Confused - should I PIF before or after statement cuts?

Glad we were able to help!


@Anonymous wrote:

 

When I am ready to apply for any new cards, I will PIF every card prior to statement cut. 

 


 I think we weren't clear earlier, so let me clarify now: although there is debate about the merits of PIF before or after statement cut, one thing that is (almost) for certain is the fact that to get the highest score with regards to util you want to have all accounts PIF before statement cut EXCEPT one reporting a balance of less than 10%.  People have seen their scores drop a bit after zeroing out all accounts, so don't fall into that trap! Smiley Happy

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