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Is that card any good?
Annual fee?
Credit limits?
Depenends. I was offered this card with $29 AF, declined and was approved for Discover More a year later.
I do not have this particular card, but have another HSBC card and not so happy with HSBC as a lender.
I agree that HSBC generally sucks. I don't understand why HSBC in Hong Kong isn't bad, but HSBC in the US is, IMO, subprime.
Anyhow, if I call the number Discover gave me on their counter-offer, is approval for the HSBC Discover automatic or does it entail another hard pull?
Well, HSBC stands for Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation...
To make it short... here is my take on HSBC after living/working in Hong Kong for a little over a year.
HSBC is one of three banks that can print/distribute money in Hong Kong/Macau. That being said, without getting into actual numbers, it has holdings of at least 33% of all revenue in that principality - which, since it is the largest of the three banks that back the currency, it probably holds more than 33%. So, It can do whatever it wants and have absolutely no repercussions. It simply does business elsewhere to gain excess cash on hand. As a corp, it could care less about operations in the US - it currently holds almost all of its assets in Hong Kong, paying no taxes as it is technically, backed by the chinese government but yet has no oversight by the chinese and operates solely as its own entity.
In short. It doesnt need anyone else, therefore, we are left with a crappy corporation selling crappy products with no intention of making them better.
Please keep in mind that I have several accoutns with them, as well as 2 credit cards each with over 10k limit. I opened both of these while living in Egypt, and they are not US based cards, so that is why I still have them. If I had a US based card with them, I would most likely have kicked it to the curb many years ago.
@Lyythine wrote:Well, HSBC stands for Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation...
To make it short... here is my take on HSBC after living/working in Hong Kong for a little over a year.
HSBC is one of three banks that can print/distribute money in Hong Kong/Macau. That being said, without getting into actual numbers, it has holdings of at least 33% of all revenue in that principality - which, since it is the largest of the three banks that back the currency, it probably holds more than 33%. So, It can do whatever it wants and have absolutely no repercussions. It simply does business elsewhere to gain excess cash on hand. As a corp, it could care less about operations in the US - it currently holds almost all of its assets in Hong Kong, paying no taxes as it is technically, backed by the chinese government but yet has no oversight by the chinese and operates solely as its own entity.
In short. It doesnt need anyone else, therefore, we are left with a crappy corporation selling crappy products with no intention of making them better.
Please keep in mind that I have several accoutns with them, as well as 2 credit cards each with over 10k limit. I opened both of these while living in Egypt, and they are not US based cards, so that is why I still have them. If I had a US based card with them, I would most likely have kicked it to the curb many years ago.
Excellent analysis!
I have HSBC Hong Kong and also China credit cards and they are definitely prime -- very hard to get in fact. Yet in the US they are definitely subprime. Seems really strange.
The only reason why I'd even consider an HSBC US card is because it's cheap and easy to pay them from Hong Kong or China. Otherwise, I'd avoid them like I would one of the other scumcard operations like First Millenium.
I've had the HSBC Discover (Direct Rewards) for almost 3 years. It's boring, in jeopardy of being kicked to the curb, and overall kind of bland -- but I keep it to help w/ util. It does have an AF. It started at 1k and now sits at 1.5k -- wheeee. I believe I rec'd a pre-app in the mail for the card. About 18 months after rec'ing this card, I cold app'd for a Discover More. I got it w/ a 1.1k line, increased w/ a hard to 3.5k at 7 months and then to 4.5k w/ a soft at a year.
I have another HSBC card -- Union Plus MC that I've had for 5.5 years. It started at 1.5k and is now at 6k, no AF.
Scratch that -- I just rec'd a letter in the mail today that they've closed my account. I called, elevated to a supervisor and was told I could reapply. I told him I would NEVER apply for another HSBC product. The closure letter cited:
DEROGATORY PUBLIC RECORD OR COLLECTION
DELINQUENCY
Uh huh.. Okay, back in 2004, you betcha.
Ironically, I also rec'd a letter in the mail from the HSBC Discover that my acct may have been compromised. Oh gee, fun. I think it might be time to close this acct, too.