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Hi everyone,
I am new(again) to the CC world. Tanked my credit (and cards) in 2017-2019 due to financial issues. Then, pandemic. 2022, I rebuilt. I am still fixing things up but, in December, I was approved for Discovery It CB (9k) and Amex Blue Card Everyday.
I'm curious about payment strategy and could use some guidance, especially sincewe are still rebuilding and every little move seems to make a big differece.
I will be paying off each card in full (+ 1 card, care credit, that will have a small balance, interest free, for some doggo related vet fees).
Is there a best way to pay them each month? Can I do multiple payments (which I prefer) or do they like to see higher utilization throughout the month, which would mean we pay it all right before the due date. I can do either, I just am more comfortable paying down the bill each paycheck so it's not such a big hit to my (very) slow growing account. We found that doing the 1 payment method with my husband's Chase gave us the benefit of showing them we used credit and can pay it off and, at the same time, the credit bureaus see only a $0 balance/paid as agreed. We were able to trigger a auto CLI by not paying until the due date and charging all our bills to that one card - pushing it to 60% utilization. If we paid it more than once a month (which is what I prefer to do for budgeting purposes), Chase didn't budge on the CLI. I figured disco and amex might have their own preferences (or maybe it doesn't matter at all..I see so many in the group saying Disco CLIs are extremely random!)
Thanks in advance!!
Any thoughts/suggestions? I can always put the money aside but since I'm new all this, I want to be as strategic as possible from the beginning!
thanks in advance!
Honestly, if you and your husband are paying off the credit cards except Care Credit to take advantage of a promo offer then I would use the cards that make the most sense financially to you and not worry so much about appeasing either Discover or AMEX. The CLIs will come so please try not to make your financial situation more complicated than it needs to be if that makes any sense
If it is easiest to pay them off after each paycheck while you two are building back up then do that. The increases will come with time and usage which sounds like you two are doing so keep that up, no need to change strategies at this time. Do what makes it easiest for you and your husband. As long as the banks are getting paid that is all that matters. Don't make it more stressful than it needs to be really
Thank you, @simplynoir ! This is exactly what I needed to hear. I kind of knew I was making it more complicated than it needed to be!
As we have been digging (clawing!?)our way back to "normal", we have been extra on top of things - much more than I needed to be. I have been having dreams about paying credit card bills on time...it's getting out of hand! I found some banking/credit agency errors along the way, which only reinfoced my brain to keep checking and obsessing. So, thank you! I needed to hear that it was ok to just "pay as normal" ! I just didn't want to miss any thing that might mess us up in the future - I'm anxious of messing up again. We have a bit of credit jenga going on with the cards, payments and trying to ensure utilization is low (less than 4% is my personal goal). I could pay it all but also taking advantage of the 0% financing promotion so we can juggle our sweet doggo's chemo treatments. The new goal for this month will be to get up and running with the cards, figure out how to optimize the cash back/rewards and pay them off, regardless of whether I do it in multiple or just once. That seems much easier...
Again, thank you! I hate the idea of a big chunk of money coming out, smaller dips into the bank account are easier to swallow!
@JM761 wrote:Thank you, @simplynoir ! This is exactly what I needed to hear. I kind of knew I was making it more complicated than it needed to be!
As we have been digging (clawing!?)our way back to "normal", we have been extra on top of things - much more than I needed to be. I have been having dreams about paying credit card bills on time...it's getting out of hand! I found some banking/credit agency errors along the way, which only reinfoced my brain to keep checking and obsessing. So, thank you! I needed to hear that it was ok to just "pay as normal" ! I just didn't want to miss any thing that might mess us up in the future - I'm anxious of messing up again. We have a bit of credit jenga going on with the cards, payments and trying to ensure utilization is low (less than 4% is my personal goal). I could pay it all but also taking advantage of the 0% financing promotion so we can juggle our sweet doggo's chemo treatments. The new goal for this month will be to get up and running with the cards, figure out how to optimize the cash back/rewards and pay them off, regardless of whether I do it in multiple or just once. That seems much easier...
Again, thank you! I hate the idea of a big chunk of money coming out, smaller dips into the bank account are easier to swallow!
@JM761, we have a saying around here when one starts to obsess with their scores and how their use of cards will impact the bureaus and so forth:
"Finances before FICOs"
Essentially, one needs to protect their financial assets first before even considering how scores, credit bureaus, etc come into play. The only real time someone should actually concern themselves with their credit scores is during loan applications for a home, vehicle, personal loan, etc since that will impact their rates. Otherwise, a person's priority should be finances first and then they should be how to handle their financial products which in this case is credit cards and getting the maximum return while paying minimal/no interest as well
I would continue making payments on the promo offer on your Care Credit (hope doggy is okay!) and make no rush to pay it off but make sure it is paid off before the promo ends to avoid any issues there. If need be consider applying for a credit card with a balance transfer offer so you can continue making manageable payments. Your other cards can be paid in a timely manner that takes your cash flow into account. Listen, while it is not advantegous if you're unable to pay a card entirely (assuming no BT offers or cards) off it's okay to let the balance carry and take a little interest on the balance. It's great if you can pay it off completely but if it's not feasible at the time the payment is due pay what you can but just make sure you don't let it go past due. Perhaps pay 2x-3x the minimum that way you show the bank you're making payments and not just trying to squeak by persay. Utilization can be improved over time if need be so that way you two can settle and get back on your feet
Whole heartedly agree with Simplynoir above, don't over complicate it, but do what makes you feel more comfortable and enables you to sleep better at night. The only time I've made multiple payments to an account was if it started approaching 90% of the SL. I would pay it down to around 40%, spend a little more, then PIF before the statement closing date. I've read where AMEX likes it if you PIF (rather than leaving a bal) and I've yet to figure out Ms Disco... I did however get the apparently elusive auto CLI from SoFI, so I must have been doing something right.
Thank you for this thoughtful response...it is so helpful! I have heard finances before fico here in the group before...we try and stick with that but, as you mentioned, there are sometimes that we need to worry about it. My fico was terrible (low 600s) b/c of some unpaid chargeoffs during our darks days on 2018/19.I paid off and cleaned things up - it' helped finances and fico at the same time. A win-win there...
We will be applying for a HELOC or personal loan (depends on what makes the most sense) in the spring to finance a new roof. For that reason, I am trying to keep the FICO in mind but, as you mentioned, I will do what's best for us "right now" - since that's the best financially. I greatly appreciate the guidance...it's easy to get wrapped up and not sure which direction to go next!
Thanks for the good wishes for our doggo. He's my heart and soul..all 70 lbs of him! We opened the care credit to help us through this hump - he had surgery and now 5 treatments, 3 weeks apart. Only one left and then we can breath a little (I hope!). With holidays and weekeneds, it seems like the charges are coming rapid fire so I make sure we pay off the older promotional balance after each new charge. I leave only about 4% of the new promotional balance on our card until the next treatment. We want to show CareCredit we can pay regularly but also use the utilization. I know we could go higher on the utilization but, after a year like we had with his vet bills, I want to ensure we have a buffer in case we get hit with the unexpected. I started in March (when my credit was at it's lowest) at $4900 SL. July was a CLI to $12k. In November I requested and was approved for $19k. (didn't really need the higher CL but it helps keep utilization low, esp during the holidays). I know synchrony has a history or closing accounts randomly so we are trying to use the credit wisely.
I hope to not have to carry a balance that requires interest. We haven't since starting this journey and learning about credit in early 2022. We are only using the 0% promotions but it's good to know that if things get really tight, we aren't killing out credit. I like the idea of doing more than minimum to show "good faith" with the creditors. This is all really helpful info (that I hopefully won't need but if I do, I will have the knowledge in my backpocket!)
Thanks again!!
I used to suffer from balance neurosis, now everything reports, everybody gets paid, no one complains.
A better example is my daughter because her credit is still new (her oldest account will be two years in April).
She uses her cards, she pays statement balance. Sometimes her utilization is low, other times card reported up to 70% and nothing happened. She doesn't hangout at message board dedicated to credit cards, so she's much closer to average consumer than any of us.
Percentages mean nothing to her, she's is treating them as payment methods not some precious things that require PhD in Cardology. She's not losing any sleep over it.
I did try telling her early on to "watch how much reports" and she asked "why?"
I was about to answer her when I realized unless she's buying house or car, it's futile, so I corrected myself to "just make sure everything is paid"
She's not financially ignorant, she's actually very savvy, her passive income is mostly from investments, she's just not willing to make payment method into a lifestyle.
I'm not advocating you let 70% report, it's just that as long as you're paying, sky doesn't fall that easily.
You will be fine.
@JoeRockhead wrote:Whole heartedly agree with Simplynoir above, don't over complicate it, but do what makes you feel more comfortable and enables you to sleep better at night. The only time I've made multiple payments to an account was if it started approaching 90% of the SL. I would pay it down to around 40%, spend a little more, then PIF before the statement closing date. I've read where AMEX likes it if you PIF (rather than leaving a bal) and I've yet to figure out Ms Disco... I did however get the apparently elusive auto CLI from SoFI, so I must have been doing something right.
Thanks, @JoeRockhead ! It helps to get advice from those who are familiar with the process. I will try my best not to over complicate things!
I'm planning on PIF for both cards - esp b/c I'm trying to do AZEO. The carecredit card will be my "one". I like the idea of paying in one lump sum, as you do. I am sure I'll be more comfortable with it as time goes on and our bank account fills up a bit (it's been a few rough months, esp with oil and electric going up..don't get me started!) We have enough to pay the bills and don't overspend but I also hate the idea of watching my account balance take a nosedive (even though the money is earmarked for the CC). The multiple payments are all a game to make me feel more secure and prepared for whatever comes next!
I appreciate the help...including the info on Disco. It seems she's a bit all over the place and no real rhyme/reason. That gives makes me feel better about making multiple payments.
Also, congrats on the SoFi CLI!! Not sure what you did but keep doing it
For my husband's card, it was 2 months of 60%+ utilization that triggered it. I wish they just told us so we didn't have to keep guessing!
You are the zen I needed (along with the others who responded)!
It's reassuring to gain perspective and know that it will be ok. I guess, after living in a state of "you think things are ok and they are very NOT ok", I'm worried that will happen again if I'm not careful. It feels like all the balls are in the air with our credit, upcoming house issues, doggo bills, etc. I just want to make sure I don't drop any. If I do, it's good to know we will figure a way out of this and it will be ok. I know that...just a bit anxious!
Your daughter sounds like she has a good head on her shoulders. I remember a time when I didn't worry about utilization - of course, that was when my credit was much better and I wasn't rebuilding and looking gettin ga HELOC in a few months. My goal is to return to that state of mind soon. You have been so helpful with all of these questions over the past few moths. I think I'm on the right track and can be there again soon...baby steps!
@JM761 wrote:You are the zen I needed (along with the others who responded)!
It's reassuring to gain perspective and know that it will be ok. I guess, after living in a state of "you think things are ok and they are very NOT ok", I'm worried that will happen again if I'm not careful. It feels like all the balls are in the air with our credit, upcoming house issues, doggo bills, etc. I just want to make sure I don't drop any. If I do, it's good to know we will figure a way out of this and it will be ok. I know that...just a bit anxious!
Your daughter sounds like she has a good head on her shoulders. I remember a time when I didn't worry about utilization - of course, that was when my credit was much better and I wasn't rebuilding and looking gettin ga HELOC in a few months. My goal is to return to that state of mind soon. You have been so helpful with all of these questions over the past few moths. I think I'm on the right track and can be there again soon...baby steps!
I know exactly what you're talking about
Long time ago, I had a bunch of late payments (I told this story too many times lol), not because I didn't have money, but because I would run out of checks, run out of stamps, and being very young and very stupid, I couldn't be bothered by anything.
Anyways, I didn't even know there was such a thing as credit score, I went to buy a car, I couldn't even get one at 28% . It was "cosigner or get out"
I was fortunate enough to be able to just pay for it, but humiliation stayed. I gave up on credit, I thought everything bad stayed forever.
Once I knew that wasn't so, I treated it gingerly like a newborn, everything about it was important to the point of it being life and death because that whole "not credit worthy" somehow stuck with me.
It passed, life goes on, lessons learned
It will pass for you too. You're in a different place now than 2019, so (forgive me this part) treat yourself with respect, not doubts. The fact you're facing issues and working on them is definitely respect worthy, not from others but from yourself.
In other words, 💩 happens. As long as lessons are learned, eventually 💩 becomes stories we tell on message boards.
Welcome to your new reality where Manny things are possible.