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masscredit
Senior Contributor

Do balance transfers count as usage?

When a credit card company looks at usage, do BTs count or is it only purchases? 

 

 

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JR_TX
Valued Contributor

Re: Do balance transfers count as usage?

IMO as far as reporting to CRAs, I think whatever shows as your monthly outstanding or current balance will be your usage/utilization and that will include yours BT amounts as well. But internally, for ARs or CLIs, it will probably depend on some other factors as well such as monthly swipes and payments.
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CreditCuriosity
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Do balance transfers count as usage?

Yes it counts as usage as any debt counts into utilization

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DeeBee78
Valued Contributor

Re: Do balance transfers count as usage?


@masscredit wrote:

When a credit card company looks at usage, do BTs count or is it only purchases? 

 

 


If you mean utilization of the credit line, then yes.

 

If you mean usage towards minimum spend bonuses or rewards points, then no. 

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Anonymous
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Re: Do balance transfers count as usage?


@masscredit wrote:

When a credit card company looks at usage, do BTs count or is it only purchases? 

 

 


I'm seeing 2 possible meanings to your question. One has been answered. If you mean for example does Cap1 look at what you BT'd to their card and count that as spending with them... then no, they don't. Are they going to shut you down for inactivity for only haveing a BT? Probably not. But are they going to give you a big CLI because you BT'd a balance to them? No, probably not that either.

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masscredit
Senior Contributor

Re: Do balance transfers count as usage?

I know BT balances count towards utilization but I was wondering if they count as usage for a CLI. Cap 1 is the card that I have in mind. 

EQ - 698 / TU - 672 / EX - 686

Capital One Savor - $16000 / Capital One Venture - $13000 / Travel Advantage Visa - $11500 / TD Cash Card - $7500 / Bread Rewards AMEX - $6950 / Apple Card - $6500 / TD Double Up - $5500 / Mercury - $5000 / Ally Master Card - $4300 / DCU Visa - $3000 / Capital One QuickSilver - $500
$79,750
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JR_TX
Valued Contributor

Re: Do balance transfers count as usage?

In my experience with Cap1, they never gave me a CLI when i had a huge balance with them due to BT and very minimal to zero swipes but gave me a bunch of CLIs when BT was paid off and had very frequent swipes with the card.
New cc TLs : 0/6 ; 0/12 ; 0/24 | HPs EX 3 EQ 3 TU 4 | AAoA 8y1m | UTIL 1% - 4% | $300K+ Total Limits

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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: Do balance transfers count as usage?


@masscredit wrote:

I know BT balances count towards utilization but I was wondering if they count as usage for a CLI. Cap 1 is the card that I have in mind. 


Unlike utilization, usage is a very vague, subjective, unofficial concept. Some underwriters would consider balance transfers as 'usage' that puts a smile on their face, others consider them some sort of danger signal that connotes risk.

 

I'm sure there are other ways of looking at them too... e.g. did the bank make any money on them?

 

I'm sure there are also different banking cultures in ways of viewing both usage and balance transfers. In some institutions, usage and balance transfers are a happy thing, in other institutions a worrisome thing, in some institutions it depends.

 

In fact it is debatable whether heavy usage increases one's prospects for a CLI at all at some institutions, where it seems to be more strategic to play hard to get than it is to show the bank lots of love.

 

In other institutions, it is generally accepted as you suggest, that lots of usage helps you get CLI's.


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UncleB
Credit Mentor

Re: Do balance transfers count as usage?


@masscredit wrote:

I know BT balances count towards utilization but I was wondering if they count as usage for a CLI. Cap 1 is the card that I have in mind. 


Specific to Capital One, I have a data point...

 

Last spring when I submitted CLI requests for my QS Visa and QS MasterCard, the Visa was given a $1k bump while the MC was denied due to 'lack of use'.  This was ironic to me at the time since if you include a BT I had taken out (and PIF) the MC actually had more use than the Visa did.  After putting a few small swipes on the MC for a few months they finally came around and gave me the usual $1k bump on it as well. 

 

So, my own experience would seem to indicate that for CLI purposes Capital One (specifically) doesn't consider BTs as 'usage' when they determine if you're eligible for a CLI, or at least in my case they didn't.  Keep in mind though that this was last spring, so a one-year old data point won't be as meaningful as one from someone who has more recent experience.

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Bman70
Established Contributor

Re: Do balance transfers count as usage?

 

After a year of carrying a BT on my BofA visa, I paid it off and shortly after they offered me a CLI without a hard pull. Ended up getting $4k added to the line. I think the BT and steady payments provoked the CLI offer, but who knows. 


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