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tcbofade
Super Contributor

Re: Feeling the hate....


@TRC_WA wrote:

@tcbofade wrote:

 

Our util is still a bit high, but we're both in the 700's with NO baddies anywhere, and few inquiries.... I figured it was worth a shot....  Apparently, I was wrong.  Smiley Tongue


Define "a bit"... 50%? 70%? 90%?

 

No doubt the cause of your denials.


More than 60%, less than 70% for both of us.  NO cards maxed out, several paid off for both of us.  My util is in the higher 60's, hers is in the lower 60's....and I'm pretty certain that you are correct.

 

That problem will fix itself in the next 60-90 days, and we'll be closing most of these accounts anyway. 

Fico 8 7/01/25: EX 800, EQ 805, TU 792.
Fico 9: EX 812 04/15/25, EQ 804 04/08/25, TU 792 02/15/25.

Zero percent financing is where the devil lives...
Message 11 of 22
bdhu2001
Valued Contributor

Re: Feeling the hate....


@tcbofade wrote:

@TRC_WA wrote:

@tcbofade wrote:

 

Our util is still a bit high, but we're both in the 700's with NO baddies anywhere, and few inquiries.... I figured it was worth a shot....  Apparently, I was wrong.  Smiley Tongue


Define "a bit"... 50%? 70%? 90%?

 

No doubt the cause of your denials.


More than 60%, less than 70% for both of us.  NO cards maxed out, several paid off for both of us.  My util is in the higher 60's, hers is in the lower 60's....and I'm pretty certain that you are correct.

 

That problem will fix itself in the next 60-90 days, and we'll be closing most of these accounts anyway. 


Closing the accounts may hurt your utilization.  My advice is to pay down or off all the cards (leaving one card with a balance below 10%.  Make sure this is done at least 2 months before you refi, because mortgage pulls were always one to two months behind when I was shopping.

 

After you get your refi, then close the accounts if you really don't need them. Keep at least 3-5 cards open and remember that closing them may also hurt AAoA.  Although the good credit is supposed to report for 10 years after, I've noticed people stating that it isn't the case. Some people have even mention the good trade lines falling off within a year.  Thus, take time-frame for them to continue to report for up to 10 years.

Original Mortgage maturity Sept 2044; Refi maturity Dec 2030
Starting Score: EX 751 EQ 720 TU 737 on 4/9/14
Current Score: EX 849 EQ 835 TU 843
Goal Score: 850


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Message 12 of 22
tcbofade
Super Contributor

Re: Feeling the hate....

Depending on the appraisal, we will be doing an 80% LTV first mortgage, and MAY pull a second mortgage for the balance.

 

Either way, ALL of our CC debt should be paid off by 01 April or so.  (Can't wait!)

Fico 8 7/01/25: EX 800, EQ 805, TU 792.
Fico 9: EX 812 04/15/25, EQ 804 04/08/25, TU 792 02/15/25.

Zero percent financing is where the devil lives...
Message 13 of 22
nachoslibres
Established Contributor

Re: Feeling the hate....


@tcbofade wrote:

Depending on the appraisal, we will be doing an 80% LTV first mortgage, and MAY pull a second mortgage for the balance.

 

Either way, ALL of our CC debt should be paid off by 01 April or so.  (Can't wait!)


We are looking to buy a house within the next year but currently on hold till we find out what happens with my career.  I want at least 20% down as well so I don't have to deal with that crappy permanent PMI - are you able to get a second loan for part of the 20% balance?  If so that might help us out when the time comes if we can't get the full 20% saved up in time.

Message 14 of 22
NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Feeling the hate....


@tcbofade wrote:

@TRC_WA wrote:

@tcbofade wrote:

 

Our util is still a bit high, but we're both in the 700's with NO baddies anywhere, and few inquiries.... I figured it was worth a shot....  Apparently, I was wrong.  Smiley Tongue


Define "a bit"... 50%? 70%? 90%?

 

No doubt the cause of your denials.


More than 60%, less than 70% for both of us.  NO cards maxed out, several paid off for both of us.  My util is in the higher 60's, hers is in the lower 60's....and I'm pretty certain that you are correct.

 

That problem will fix itself in the next 60-90 days, and we'll be closing most of these accounts anyway. 


Continuing with the slow reveal...

60% of what? $1k? $20k? Which cards and limits? Open balances? age of each account?

 

Not that credit scoring / credit granting decisions are complex or anything, I'd never suggest that...

 

Pre-congrats on the mortgage though.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
Message 15 of 22
bada_bing
Frequent Contributor

Re: Feeling the hate....


@NRB525 wrote:

@tcbofade wrote:

@TRC_WA wrote:

@tcbofade wrote:

 

Our util is still a bit high, but we're both in the 700's with NO baddies anywhere, and few inquiries.... I figured it was worth a shot....  Apparently, I was wrong.  Smiley Tongue


Define "a bit"... 50%? 70%? 90%?

 

No doubt the cause of your denials.


More than 60%, less than 70% for both of us.  NO cards maxed out, several paid off for both of us.  My util is in the higher 60's, hers is in the lower 60's....and I'm pretty certain that you are correct.

 

That problem will fix itself in the next 60-90 days, and we'll be closing most of these accounts anyway. 


Continuing with the slow reveal...

60% of what? $1k? $20k? Which cards and limits? Open balances? age of each account?

 

Not that credit scoring / credit granting decisions are complex or anything, I'd never suggest that...

 

Pre-congrats on the mortgage though.


TCBO has been posting about the house project for a while. It's an interesting project worth

following. Some of the background is here:

 

http://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Credit-Cards/Creepy-high-amount-of-credit-card-debt/td-p/3663063

+ 850 FICO8 since 2015, Thanks MyFICO - 5+ years since last HP
Message 16 of 22
NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Feeling the hate....


@bada_bing wrote:

@NRB525 wrote:

@tcbofade wrote:

@TRC_WA wrote:

@tcbofade wrote:

 

Our util is still a bit high, but we're both in the 700's with NO baddies anywhere, and few inquiries.... I figured it was worth a shot....  Apparently, I was wrong.  Smiley Tongue


Define "a bit"... 50%? 70%? 90%?

 

No doubt the cause of your denials.


More than 60%, less than 70% for both of us.  NO cards maxed out, several paid off for both of us.  My util is in the higher 60's, hers is in the lower 60's....and I'm pretty certain that you are correct.

 

That problem will fix itself in the next 60-90 days, and we'll be closing most of these accounts anyway. 


Continuing with the slow reveal...

60% of what? $1k? $20k? Which cards and limits? Open balances? age of each account?

 

Not that credit scoring / credit granting decisions are complex or anything, I'd never suggest that...

 

Pre-congrats on the mortgage though.


TCBO has been posting about the house project for a while. It's an interesting project worth

following. Some of the background is here:

 

http://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Credit-Cards/Creepy-high-amount-of-credit-card-debt/td-p/3663063


Ok, $90k of overall CC debt, OP, why again are you looking for other cards? Smiley Happy

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
Message 17 of 22
tcbofade
Super Contributor

Re: Feeling the hate....


@NRB525 wrote:

@bada_bing wrote:

@NRB525 wrote:

@tcbofade wrote:

@TRC_WA wrote:

@tcbofade wrote:

 

Our util is still a bit high, but we're both in the 700's with NO baddies anywhere, and few inquiries.... I figured it was worth a shot....  Apparently, I was wrong.  Smiley Tongue


Define "a bit"... 50%? 70%? 90%?

 

No doubt the cause of your denials.


More than 60%, less than 70% for both of us.  NO cards maxed out, several paid off for both of us.  My util is in the higher 60's, hers is in the lower 60's....and I'm pretty certain that you are correct.

 

That problem will fix itself in the next 60-90 days, and we'll be closing most of these accounts anyway. 


Continuing with the slow reveal...

60% of what? $1k? $20k? Which cards and limits? Open balances? age of each account?

 

Not that credit scoring / credit granting decisions are complex or anything, I'd never suggest that...

 

Pre-congrats on the mortgage though.


TCBO has been posting about the house project for a while. It's an interesting project worth

following. Some of the background is here:

 

http://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Credit-Cards/Creepy-high-amount-of-credit-card-debt/td-p/3663063


Ok, $90k of overall CC debt, OP, why again are you looking for other cards? Smiley Happy


I'm not really looking for other cards....just asked for some soft pull CLI's on the cards that we have.  Smiley Happy

Fico 8 7/01/25: EX 800, EQ 805, TU 792.
Fico 9: EX 812 04/15/25, EQ 804 04/08/25, TU 792 02/15/25.

Zero percent financing is where the devil lives...
Message 18 of 22
tcbofade
Super Contributor

Re: Feeling the hate....


@NRB525 wrote:

@tcbofade wrote:

@TRC_WA wrote:

@tcbofade wrote:

 

Our util is still a bit high, but we're both in the 700's with NO baddies anywhere, and few inquiries.... I figured it was worth a shot....  Apparently, I was wrong.  Smiley Tongue


Define "a bit"... 50%? 70%? 90%?

 

No doubt the cause of your denials.


More than 60%, less than 70% for both of us.  NO cards maxed out, several paid off for both of us.  My util is in the higher 60's, hers is in the lower 60's....and I'm pretty certain that you are correct.

 

That problem will fix itself in the next 60-90 days, and we'll be closing most of these accounts anyway. 


Continuing with the slow reveal...

60% of what? $1k? $20k? Which cards and limits? Open balances? age of each account?

 

Not that credit scoring / credit granting decisions are complex or anything, I'd never suggest that...

 

Pre-congrats on the mortgage though.


Sorry, not trying to be slow....

 

My util $46,648.82 balances of $67,925.00 total credit limits equal 68.67% Util.

Her util $48,665.63 of $80,450.00 total credit limits equal 60.49%

 

Some of those are joint tho.  Actual total CC debt is $87k ish.

 

She already has a mortgage....she's just going to refinance it. 

Fico 8 7/01/25: EX 800, EQ 805, TU 792.
Fico 9: EX 812 04/15/25, EQ 804 04/08/25, TU 792 02/15/25.

Zero percent financing is where the devil lives...
Message 19 of 22
tcbofade
Super Contributor

Re: Feeling the hate....


@nachoslibres wrote:

@tcbofade wrote:

Depending on the appraisal, we will be doing an 80% LTV first mortgage, and MAY pull a second mortgage for the balance.

 

Either way, ALL of our CC debt should be paid off by 01 April or so.  (Can't wait!)


We are looking to buy a house within the next year but currently on hold till we find out what happens with my career.  I want at least 20% down as well so I don't have to deal with that crappy permanent PMI - are you able to get a second loan for part of the 20% balance?  If so that might help us out when the time comes if we can't get the full 20% saved up in time.


Not sure yet.  We're not worried about down payment....we've got GOBS of equity, and will simply stay under 80% LTV to avoid PMI.  (When we bought the home, the appraisal came in very low, and we are currently wasting $86 per month on PMI!)

 

I'm hoping for a $200k appraisal, and a new mortgage of $160k or so.....then, I'll pull a second mortgage for the other $40k.

 

If the appraisal comes back at $250k or more, we will just pull a $200k first mortgage and not have PMI either way.

Fico 8 7/01/25: EX 800, EQ 805, TU 792.
Fico 9: EX 812 04/15/25, EQ 804 04/08/25, TU 792 02/15/25.

Zero percent financing is where the devil lives...
Message 20 of 22
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