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@portlandmusician wrote:@Wavester64 As @CreditCuriosity said, once you have one, and treat it well, others will come - especially a second one. But, use can use the pre-approval to "test the waters," if you will. My first U.S. Bank card was instantly approved. The second, third, and fourth all got the 7-10 day notice, but then were approved when it went to underwriting - usually in 2-3 days.
I stopped pressing my luck after 4 personal cards (Altitude Go, Connect, Cash+, and Shield), and now I use the pre-approval before applying, but each time I get a 7-10 day notice and then get a letter in the mail that I'm at the max credit extended. I put in a pre-approval every 6 months just trying, since I want the Fidelity Visa (especially with the SUB and zero APR). With the elavated sub on the Cash+ ($250, not $200), I've tried to pre-approve that, too. But, I'm at my max with Elan and U.S. Bank, I guess.
Point being... don't worry. Try for that second card. But, feel free to use the pre-approval link. From what I've gathered, they're pretty solid.
This is interesting. So the USB cards and any Elan issued cards are definitely considered to be in the same bucket for total exposure, even if other FIs are involved?
NFCU Flagship (Daily Driver) | USAA Rewards (1999 Hooptie)
AmEx BCP (Groceries) | Aven Rewards (Groceries) | Chase Prime (Amazon) | Citi Custom Cash (Dining) | Elan MCP (Utilities)
EX(F8) 780 | EQ(F8) 794 | TU(F8) 796 | EQ(BC8) 810 | EX(10T) 782
@Vinjints wrote:
@portlandmusician wrote:@Wavester64 As @CreditCuriosity said, once you have one, and treat it well, others will come - especially a second one. But, use can use the pre-approval to "test the waters," if you will. My first U.S. Bank card was instantly approved. The second, third, and fourth all got the 7-10 day notice, but then were approved when it went to underwriting - usually in 2-3 days.
I stopped pressing my luck after 4 personal cards (Altitude Go, Connect, Cash+, and Shield), and now I use the pre-approval before applying, but each time I get a 7-10 day notice and then get a letter in the mail that I'm at the max credit extended. I put in a pre-approval every 6 months just trying, since I want the Fidelity Visa (especially with the SUB and zero APR). With the elavated sub on the Cash+ ($250, not $200), I've tried to pre-approve that, too. But, I'm at my max with Elan and U.S. Bank, I guess.
Point being... don't worry. Try for that second card. But, feel free to use the pre-approval link. From what I've gathered, they're pretty solid.
This is interesting. So the USB cards and any Elan issued cards are definitely considered to be in the same bucket for total exposure, even if other FIs are involved?
Yes, same bucket as Elan/US Bank. US Bank is still the lender and is simply partnering with other banks in many cases so they can offer credit products, likely sharing profits with smaller FIs, etc. My assumption is the majority of the risk still sits with Elan/US Bank.
With that said, even if “max exposure” is the response, there have been reports of successful recons after denials for that exact reason. Data points such as being a good customer for X years, income, FICO scores, and overall profile strength can help support a reconsideration request. There have been past cases where US Bank/Elan overturned denials after recon for this reason.
Personally, I take pre-approvals with a grain of salt and don’t put much weight into hard pulls since they are usually only a few points depending on the profile. For example, I have never been pre-approved for cards from Citi, yet I’ve still been approved and now have around 100k in exposure with them. Same goes for Chase, etc. I’m not opted out either, and my CRAs were unfrozen when I applied.
No two credit profiles are the same, so direct comparisons are difficult. That said, there are still some general guidelines you can take from trends, such as Chase’s 5/24 rule, although even that has exceptions like the Amazon Chase card being exempt. The same applies to exposure limits — people often mention Chase capping exposure around 50% of income, but some profiles are approved at much lower thresholds while others are approved closer to 80% of income. With many lenders, nothing is completely set in stone, and exceptions can absolutely be made depending on the overall profile and circumstances.
Elan Financial Services is essentially the “behind-the-scenes” credit card division of U.S. Bank (more precisely, of U.S. Bancorp, U.S. Bank’s parent company).
Here’s the relationship in plain English:
So... regional banks and local credit unions use Elan Financial Services for their credit cards:
That’s why people sometimes see “Elan Financial Services” on:
Elan provides a turnkey (“white-label” or “private-label”) credit card platform for smaller financial institutions. That includes:
The smaller bank or credit union mainly provides:
Think of it like this:
| Local bank branding | Elan / U.S. Bank infrastructure |
| Credit union relationship | Elan underwriting & servicing |
| Community institution rewards card | U.S. Bank-owned processing platform |
Running a credit card business is expensive and heavily regulated.
A small bank would otherwise need:
Most community banks and credit unions simply don’t have the scale for that.
Elan lets them offer “big bank”-style credit cards without building the machinery themselves.
That arrangement is often called:
Very often, yes — structurally.
A lot of Elan products are extremely similar to U.S. Bank’s own cards because they’re built on the same underlying systems. Many of us MyFico'ers and Reddit people will tell you that Elan cards are “clones” or close cousins of U.S. Bank cards.
For example:
You’ll sometimes find:
But the branding and some terms may differ by institution.
For U.S. Bank, Elan is a way to:
Instead of competing against every community bank, U.S. Bank powers many of them behind the scenes.
I've heard (and read) that Elan partners with roughly 1,200–1,400 financial institutions nationwide.
So... Elan acts almost like “credit-card-as-a-service” for community financial institutions.
The confusing part is that:
So customers may:
That’s normal for this model.
There are two related concepts here:
Elan mostly operates in the second category for community banks and credit unions.
So when your local credit union offers a Visa rewards card: