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HELP!! BIG DECISION IN THE WORKS!!!

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Anonymous
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Re: HELP!! BIG DECISION IN THE WORKS!!!

You're welcome, Billy!

 

Character and integrity are yours, forever.  The bills will disappear eventually.

 

Good luck with everything.  Smiley Happy

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Anonymous
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Re: HELP!! BIG DECISION IN THE WORKS!!!

Well put sir!

Thanks again!

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Anonymous
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Re: HELP!! BIG DECISION IN THE WORKS!!!


@Anonymous wrote:

 


@Anonymous wrote:

I wish I could. I have a second job just to make ends meet. I am making them meet, but at this rate it will take me 10 years to get rid of it. I'm going to contact my creditors tomorrow and see what we can work out before I do this. I will also contact my credit union and see if its possible to work something out( my buddy just did that). I know my score will drop to 500 or so, but maybe by the time I'm ready to make another purchase it will be fine.

 

I looked at it like this....

Pay as I am now and I waste so much money in interest and it will take 10 years to get free.

OR

Some sort of management/ credit solutions type of thing and pay half what I owe and be free and credit back up in 4 years.

 

Assuming I can get back up in 4. Surely though with many accounts in good standing.

I was only considering doing this on 2 of 4 cards.


 

Well, I sure wish I could think of a nicer way to put this, but I can't.

 

Eurosooner7,  I'm not trying to pick on you here, but it sounds as if you don't plan on making any large purchases in the next 4-5 years because you've already made those large purchases.  On credit.  With interest.  And now you don't want to  "waste so much money in interest" by paying those bills.

 

You are not unable to pay them.  You just don't want to pay them, and see no need to because you've already got what you want ... the cars, the house(s) and whatever.

 

What you want here is a way to skip out on your existing debt while setting yourself up to purchase something else on credit that you won't want to waste money on in paying the interest.

 

My thoughts are that you should pay your existing debt down as fast as possible by any means possible to minimize the interest, and in the future, pay cash for what you buy. 

 

BTW, you are very lucky to have two jobs.  Many folks are praying to get just one...so that they can pay their bills.

  


I don't see OP abusing the system or trying to get over.  In fact, I don't see him doing anything other than making a business decision to try and negotiate his debt level or, at worst, performing a strategic default ... in much the same way that Bank of America, Citibank, Chase or virtually every other bank in America makes business decisions to default or weasle their way out of debt. 

 

Well, ok ... I do see one difference ... OP will not get a taxpayer bailout to keep the business afloat and live to make another similar business decision for the next few years.

 

Really, that a business shafting an individual, another business or the taxpayer is somehow acceptable when an individual shafting a business is not just doesn't make sense.  Perhaps that's Reaganomics?

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Anonymous
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Re: HELP!! BIG DECISION IN THE WORKS!!!

To the OP,

 

Don't do it.  Yes, I understand your well crafted reason, and the things others have told you to consider.  I respect them all.

 

But, you also mentioned your wife and little one, which means you have NOT considered everything.

 

No one can see the future, but this is FOR SURE:  Bad credit will hurt you and your family.

 

Problem is you can't see it now.  Just read the 15million posts from people trying to UNDO what you are about to do.

 

See the future.....do not do it.  Work out a repayment plan that gets the bills down.  I hear you when you say you don't want to be a slave to a second job.  Trust me:  Bad credit is a WORSE taskmaster than a second job.

 

Seriously, it only took one bad thing to happen to my credit before it spiraled down to 550.  My HHI has been well over 200K for years now; yet, it was only yesterday that I got AMEX to finally give me a measley 5K in credit.  Think about tha for a minutet!  You will spend years trying to undo what you want to do.  Please see the future and don't do it.  Smiley Very Happy

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Uniqua
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Re: HELP!! BIG DECISION IN THE WORKS!!!

 


@Anonymous wrote:

Well, I kinda meant for me to do it just to save the money. If you dont mind me asking. How far has your credit score come in 2 years? I know it doesnt get removed for 7 years, but after some amount of time it has less of an affect on your score.


 

If memory serves me correctly, Eurosooner7, my scores were:

 

TU - 588 (April 2008)

EQ - 608 (April 2008)

EX - 632 (April 2008)

 

My most recent scores are in my signature (the old scores below are from July/August of 2009).  It took a few months to clean up my reports, disputing incorrect information, double reporting and old items.  Then I started applying for CCs and within a year's time I had already hit 700 and didn't even realize it.  I worked out my own settlements with my creditors, but I had no idea how it would negatively impact my scores as I wasn't checking them at that time.  I didn't know what a FICO score was. 

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mygoal750
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Re: HELP!! BIG DECISION IN THE WORKS!!!

I completely understand your situation, as I was there about 6 yrs ago.  Moved into a new house, and then, 2 months later, my husband's business tanked.  So, house payment doubled & income was cut in half!  I called a reputable credit management company, but they couldn't help.  I ended up taking a hardship withdrawal from my 401(k) to keep the house from foreclosure.  I had 1 credit card sue me, and I paid off that judgment last August.  I settled 2 accounts for 50% of balance, but remember that if you settle an account for less than the balance, you need to include the "forgiven" debt as income.  Unfortunately for me, those all happened in the same year (settlements & withdrawal from 401(k)), so I ended up being on a payment plan with the IRS.  Took me 18 months that pay that off.  The one year I was in the payment plan, our tax refund would have been $1,900 but that went to the back taxes.  As I look back now, I can't believe I survived it.  I was absolutely thrilled when I was approved for a mortgage refinance last April at 4% lower than my old rate. That was a huge relief and help to the bottom line.  Can you refi either of your mortgages at a lower rate?  Can you sell a car?  We have 1 car, and it is not convenient, but does work for us.  We also have an old car ('91 Honda) that is definitely on its last legs. So, I guess my advice would be get a reputable credit managment co to negotiate your debts....they can get a lower interest rate and possibly work with the creditor on the reporting to the credit bureaus so it isn't as bad as it could be.  I'm finally raising my score, but it was a long haul.  Look at everything in your budget to cut what you can.  You have to be ruthless--we went without cable for 3 years,  our house is finally getting some long delayed repairs, "out to dinner" was a take out pizza (maybe 3 times a year), and we ate a lot of beans and pasta.  I think in the past 6 yrs I've had "fast food" maybe 6 times.  No "gourmet" coffee, no french fries, no soda, no quick lunch while running errands.  And, I found that I don't miss it!   So, it can be done, but you will survive, and you'll teaching your kids that you are a person of your word.  Good luck.

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Anonymous
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Re: HELP!! BIG DECISION IN THE WORKS!!!

You guys are great. I have finals this week, but I plan to contact the appropriate creditors beginning next week.

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OptimalFICO
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Re: HELP!! BIG DECISION IN THE WORKS!!!

Let me apologize for some previous posts that weren't very nice or helpful. Some people will use any forum to vent their frustrations and stand in judgment without knowing you or the details of your personal situation. It's good that you are doing all you can to address the situation you're in rather than doing nothing, sticking your head in the sand and hoping it'll go away.

 

Only you can determine what is best for you and your family and your long term wellbeing. These are unprecedented times and require unprecedented action.

 

Let me just advise that I wouldn't recommend using any consumer credit counseling agency to assist you (and if you do make sure it's a reputable one CCCS = National Foundation for Credit Counseling (800) 388-2227 www.nfcc.org.). Basically how they work is that they are non-profits and will contact your creditors asking that they reduce your interest rate and write off a portion of your debt (thereby "donating" the balance they write off to the agency itself). The consumer counseling agency will then try to collect the portion that was written off from you. This is how they make their money. But the effect for you will be that your credit reports will reflect that you are working with this agency and all of your credit accounts will be closed and will also reflect the settlements thereby ruining your credit anyway IMHO. You can do it yourself. Or go talk to a lawyer to see if BK might be a better option or to write a letter for you that you'd send to various creditors.

 

Following are other suggestions to consider:

 

#1 First call each creditor and ask if they can lower your interest rate. Try to negotiate the best rate or ask if a promotional rate is available or transferred balances or even look into getting a new credit card with a balance transfer promo. Suze Orman's website suzeorman d*t com might have a script for you to negotiate down your interest rate and might have other great info too.

 

#2 Pay off the card with the highest interest first and the rest in descending order.

 

#3 Call to see if each creditor has a program to assist you.

 

#4 Consider Peer-to-Peer lending to get lower interest loans from various individuals via websites like prosper.com or lendingclub.com

 

#5 If you are going to offer settlements to a company, I'd do it in writing and try to stipulate that the account would be removed from your credit reports all together. But you will be more successful with this and creditors will settle for a smaller amount if you can borrow cash from family to pay off the card settlement amount versus negotiating a payment plan. You might even give them two options, one 20% paid in full and they remove the account from your credit report or another option at 30% with payments and of course zero interest. They can counter from there. It might also help your case if you give a detailed accounting of your financial situation, including sending in bank statements. Creditors will likely close any accounts you settle unless you can somehow include this in the negotiation.

      Here's a link to a "Pay for Delete" letter. It doesn't totally apply to your situation, but you can get some of the deletion language from it

     http://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Rebuilding-Your-Credit/PFD-Example-Letter/m-p/4519

 

#6 I would offer less than 50% though as the creditors will either accept or counter. If you offer at 50% you won't have wiggle room. If you can borrow the cash from family, the creditors will settle for a smaller amount than if you have to make payments because they are still taking on risk to accept payments.

 

#7 You mentioned that you only want to negotiate with a couple creditors. Make sure the ones you are planning to keep are not creditors that will raise your interest rate or close the account if derogatory credit info hits your reports. I was on temporary disability years and years ago and couldn't pay my credit card bills. I kept my AmExp green card and had to let the others go. AmExp never raised my interest or canceled the card. Not sure how they'd be in this credit climate though. And note that any debt negotiated down or charged off is considered taxable income to you (minus interest and penalties I think) so check with a tax professional about this.

 

#8 I'm assuming you've already done this, but if not, write down every penney you and your wife spend. Take a look and see what you can cut out of your budget. Really get to the nitty gritty of NEEDS versus WANTS. Also maybe do an intense spring cleaning and sell whatever personal belongings you no longer use or that you don't really use frequently. Do I also recall that you have two mortgages? You may want to look into selling one of your homes. Or check and see if a Deed Inlieu option applies in your situation.

 

Just remember not to beat yourself up. Sounds like you are a hard worker and you are in good company with so many others who are struggling in this economy. Just do the best you can -- it's all any of us can do. And yes we make mistakes and poor judgments sometimes, but as Maya Angelou says, "When we know better, we do better." Best wishes to you!

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Anonymous
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Re: HELP!! BIG DECISION IN THE WORKS!!!

Thanks!!

 

I spoke with USAA with whom I owe most of my CC debt to. They said they could put me on a 'hardship' which means they put the interest to 0% for 12 months and close my account. My main question was how would it look on my CR with a creditor close account as opposed to consumer closed?

 

I probably need to get this in writing and have it stated how they will report.

 

Thoughts?

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Anonymous
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Re: HELP!! BIG DECISION IN THE WORKS!!!

I spoke with chase yesterday and they submitted a request to drop my minimum payments by 50.00 and my interest to 8% for the next 12 months. I should know in the next 48 hours.

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