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NRB525
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Re: How many cards is best?


@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

All charge cards from Amex have an AF. No need to get a charge card to have a high FICO score. I have never heard of charge cards helping your score, but if they do, it will be minimal. If you carry a charge card as part of your rewards or benefit strategy that is fine. If you carry a charge card with no AF (I think Diner's Club has these) that can be fine too. But an AF just for a few points (if that) if probably not worth it.


So on the Credit Report Charge Card account is Noted differently from regular revolving CC?


 

 

Yes. My charge cards typically list as "Charge Account" rather than "Credit Card" under loan type on my credit report.  But the system is not perfect. Some of my CCs have listed as Charge Accounts before. 


Are there any store cards that report as "Charge Account" ?

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
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Re: How many cards is best?


@Anonymous wrote:

Yes. My charge cards typically list as "Charge Account" rather than "Credit Card" under loan type on my credit report.  But the system is not perfect. Some of my CCs have listed as Charge Accounts before. 


Thank you, Good to know none of mine reports Charge account

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Anonymous
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Re: How many cards is best?


@NRB525 wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

All charge cards from Amex have an AF. No need to get a charge card to have a high FICO score. I have never heard of charge cards helping your score, but if they do, it will be minimal. If you carry a charge card as part of your rewards or benefit strategy that is fine. If you carry a charge card with no AF (I think Diner's Club has these) that can be fine too. But an AF just for a few points (if that) if probably not worth it.


So on the Credit Report Charge Card account is Noted differently from regular revolving CC?


 

 

Yes. My charge cards typically list as "Charge Account" rather than "Credit Card" under loan type on my credit report.  But the system is not perfect. Some of my CCs have listed as Charge Accounts before. 


Are there any store cards that report as "Charge Account" ?


 

 

I have only ever had one store card (JC Penny) and it showed up as Charge Account on my report. I accidentally applied for it at the store (foolish 18 year old me!) and never really used it so I don't recall if it was truly a charge card or not. 

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Anonymous
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Re: How many cards is best?


Random83 wrote

I have only ever had one store card (JC Penny) and it showed up as Charge Account on my report. I accidentally applied for it at the store (foolish 18 year old me!) and never really used it so I don't recall if it was truly a charge card or not. 

I just looked at my Credit Report I do have a charge card
I am an AU of Banana Republic Card SYNCB very small limit $1000
This says CHARGE ACCOUNT on EXPERIAN

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boosnark
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Re: How many cards is best?


@Skye12329 wrote:

Just wondering on how many cards is considerd the best a person should have for best score? I am thinking about trimming some of my cards. I guess the better question is do lenders care about Store cards?


FICO scores are somewhat of a black box but ex-FICO guy John Ulzheimer has 13 and seems to be doing well. I had two for the longest time (one charge and one Visa) and my three bureau scores were all above 750 but you tend to get diminishing returns with each new card added to the mix with continued low utilization. YMMV.

Gardening until November 1, 2023
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Anonymous
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Re: How many cards is best?


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@Themanwhocan wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

 

Perfect profile? Once upon a time, TransUnion had information on their website that indicated what a perfect credit score profile might look like. Please remember that nobody has verified this for us, but we thought you might like to see it. Here goes:

 

A few (say, 3 or 4) revolving credit cards, each with very high lines of credit ($10,000+), and very low balances on only one (or maybe two) of them at a time.

 

At least one charge card (American Express, Diners Club, etc.).

 

All tradelines (information about each account) at least six months old, and at least one more than three years old.

 

No derogatory notations.

 

Very few inquiries -- no more than one to three in a six-month period.

 

At least one "installment" tradeline in good standing, i.e., a mortgage, auto loan, or student loan.

You need 4 or more credit cards with 10k+ CL (Bank calls "Premium Card") to achieve highest possible FICO 

 


How did you determine the 4+ in your statement? I know about Premium Bankcard accounts, but I've never before heard it quantified to a certain number... Whaqt is the source of that figure?

 

As to one tradeline over 3 years old, does that include closed trade lines? What sort of boost might one expect once their credit history passes that mark? I've always heard mumblings about multiple of 2 years of age having some meaning ...


This is from
http://www.fool.com/seminars/ev/index.htm?sid=0029&lid=300

and I also read somewhere else that you need 4 but I can't remember


AS you quote in the post, the article admits that this is all unverified.   Also scoring models change (don't know which one this is claiming to be for).   And it is certainly incorrect for FICO 08.   I happen to have 850 on TU, and I don't have any charge cards on my report.

 

ETA: And my Nasa card shows open Oct 24, so rather less than 6 months old.

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kdm31091
Super Contributor

Re: How many cards is best?

How many is best is a question that is obviously subjective, but if you mean for score purposes, 2 or 3 cards is enough to demonstrate responsible use and keep util relatively down. You can achieve a great score even with 2 cards. You don't want just one because if you ever use it more than a bit, your util is super high, but there is also no need to have 10 accounts (score wise).

 

Now if you mean on a practical living side, everyone has a different opinion. I don't want to manage 10-20 accounts via spreadsheet or try to eek out every possible penny of rewards all the time because to me it's overwhelming and chasing very small differences in gains. Many do it though and swear by it. To me on the practical side, exceeding 5-6 cards is overkill unless you want to spend lots of time maximizing rewards for each purpose, transferring points, spending for this bonus, blah blah blah, it can get tedious. If you use one card for general spend the majority of the time, such as Quicksilver or Double Cash, you'll get plenty of rewards and you won't get a headache. You can supplement with a good grocery or gas card; whatever you spend a lot on. Just my two cents.

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Anonymous
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Re: How many cards is best?


@kdm31091 wrote:

How many is best is a question that is obviously subjective, but if you mean for score purposes, 2 or 3 cards is enough to demonstrate responsible use and keep util relatively down. You can achieve a great score even with 2 cards. You don't want just one because if you ever use it more than a bit, your util is super high, but there is also no need to have 10 accounts (score wise).

 

Now if you mean on a practical living side, everyone has a different opinion. I don't want to manage 10-20 accounts via spreadsheet or try to eek out every possible penny of rewards all the time because to me it's overwhelming and chasing very small differences in gains. Many do it though and swear by it. To me on the practical side, exceeding 5-6 cards is overkill unless you want to spend lots of time maximizing rewards for each purpose, transferring points, spending for this bonus, blah blah blah, it can get tedious. If you use one card for general spend the majority of the time, such as Quicksilver or Double Cash, you'll get plenty of rewards and you won't get a headache. You can supplement with a good grocery or gas card; whatever you spend a lot on. Just my two cents.


For general spend, this is sort of true.   You can do (made up figure warning) say 60% of the gains by sticking to one card (e.g EDP, CSP, SPG, Diners, DC) partly because on many cards the high bonus levels are capped, so maxing out Discover IT gives you $300, whereas DC would give you $120, but would do better on the remaining spend.

 

But the real gains are in things that some (including KDM) don't like, getting bonuses and MS, both of which will dwarf normal spending rewards.   For bonus chasing, you of course need to get several cards over time

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kdm31091
Super Contributor

Re: How many cards is best?

Very true. If you want to do the work (MS, bonus chasing) you can sure make a ton of rewards. It's true that I do not agree with it, but thanks for being respectful about disagreeing :-) I'm glad we can talk without a big argument starting!

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Anonymous
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Re: How many cards is best?

Sometimes its just fun to see what you can get out of rewards programs.
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