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Lol, we have plat honors for over 15 years and could care.
OP, that's a lot of hoops to jump through, go out and get some juicy subs since I read you were looking at BOA prem travel card. For example, get an AA card and Marriott card for a free vacation or for a BIG discount.
$1,500 - $2,000 beats $250 and transferring investments for CB.
Use your hard pull inquiries wisely.
I'm kind of surprised by the all the responses here and how everyone seems to sleep on the BofA cashback cards. So, here we go.
My philosophy is to choose credit cards that work with my lifestyle, rather than to bend my lifestyle to take advantage of credit cards. If I look on hotels.com and find a reasonable hotel for, say, $200/night, or I could use credit card points to book a swanky hotel for, say, 40,000 points, and the cash rate of that hotel is $800/night, a lot of people here will say that that was 2cpp (40k pts for what that particular experience goes for: $800), but I would value it at 0.5cpp (40k pts to achieve what I was trying to accomplish which was just staying the night somewhere).
We also mostly fly Southwest when we fly, since Midway is the most convenient airport for us. That was why I was interested in the BofA Premium Rewards Elite: at a time it had Southwest flights on there, for 80% off! But looking now, it seems they've removed them, so thanks for calling out the Premium Rewards Elite, @redpat . (Also, I admit, I was looking at it because the physical card seems pretty nice, which I do value somewhat in and of itself.)
Lastly, I downloaded all our CC transactions from 2023, categorized them according to BofA categories, and with 4 Customized Cash Rewards cards and 1 Unlimited Cash Rewards, achieved a $3,030 cashback, for an effective rate of 4.11%. That's $1,550 more than we actually got with Fidelity, so it seemed worth it to me to set this up once, and then not have to think about credit cards again for the next decade. (Like with our Fidelity card 10 years ago).
And the SUBs aren't bad. There's a $250 transfer bonus for sending the funds to Merrill, $200 x 5 for the CCRs and UCC, assuming we spend $5k on them in 90 days (which we will). $1,250 straight up cash, for $5k spend is pretty competitive, no?
Okay, so I'm pretty set on this set of credit cards, but am open to other options if people see where I'm coming from and value cash back and flexibility like I do. I'm not really a fan of churning unless there's a particularly unique or great bonus. I just remembered I *did* actually churn Southwest Rapid Rewards card, in order to get a Companion Pass. But most "point" cards don't work well with my philosophy because they restrict how I can use the rewards, or to take advantage of them I have to live above my comfortable means, when I'd rather just save the money. And I haven't found any cashback cards that beat this. Most are more limited.
US Bank Altitude Reserve actually does improve things a bit. I also categorized every transaction from 2023 as to whether it would work with Apple Pay, and for a handful of purchases (e.g. Geico, groceries) its effective 4.5% cashback rate beats the BofA cards, contributed to an extra $100 in cash back after accounting for the annual fee. And with its Realtime Rewards program, the points can be redeemed on any travel, including Southwest. But at this point it's kind of diminishing returns for me. But I'm considering it.
So with that out of the way, I'm back to soliciting advice on how to set this up. Or pitfalls with using Merrill that I'm unaware of. I don't see fees to hold the ETFs, and I believe I see that I can set up Bill Pay to pay the credit card out of my Fidelity cash management account like I do now.
Lol!
SW companion offer is there now through 2/28/25 and 30k of miles.
Redo?
Your best bet likely would be to call and schedule an in-person meeting with a Merrill advisor at your local branch. Depending on where you live there may be one dedicated to that branch or their availabiity for a given day of the week will depend on which of 2-3 branchs they're working out of that day.
3 of the things you're going to want to discuss are options regarding transferring existing ETFs from Fidelity to Merrill management, the differences between being a Merrill Edge (i.e. self-directed) client vs. leveraging managed services and, since the example of spend you gave is based on having 5 cards, to confirm whether BoA still also adheres to their 2/3/4 rule i.e. 2 BoA cards in a rolling 2 month window, 3 in 12 months, and 4 in 24 months.
@coldfusion wrote:Your best bet likely would be to call and schedule an in-person meeting with a Merrill advisor at your local branch. Depending on where you live there may be one dedicated to that branch or their availabiity for a given day of the week will depend on which of 2-3 branchs they're working out of that day.
3 of the things you're going to want to discuss are options regarding transferring existing ETFs from Fidelity to Merrill management, the differences between being a Merrill Edge (i.e. self-directed) client vs. leveraging managed services and, since the example of spend you gave is based on having 5 cards, to confirm whether BoA still also adheres to their 2/3/4 rule i.e. 2 BoA cards in a rolling 2 month window, 3 in 12 months, and 4 in 24 months.
Aww, but if I have to go talk to someone in person there, then what's the point of all this conversation here? :-) I think you're probably right, but I was hoping to avoid it, since it's hard to make time to go talk to someone there.
Also, I was assuming the 2/3/4 rule stands, which is why in my initial post had me opening two cards immediately, and a 3rd a month later. And having my wife open two cards. (I assumed those counted separately, but had the question about if being an Authorized User counts against the 2/3/4 totals.)
@losvedir wrote:
@coldfusion wrote:Your best bet likely would be to call and schedule an in-person meeting with a Merrill advisor at your local branch. Depending on where you live there may be one dedicated to that branch or their availabiity for a given day of the week will depend on which of 2-3 branchs they're working out of that day.
3 of the things you're going to want to discuss are options regarding transferring existing ETFs from Fidelity to Merrill management, the differences between being a Merrill Edge (i.e. self-directed) client vs. leveraging managed services and, since the example of spend you gave is based on having 5 cards, to confirm whether BoA still also adheres to their 2/3/4 rule i.e. 2 BoA cards in a rolling 2 month window, 3 in 12 months, and 4 in 24 months.
Aww, but if I have to go talk to someone in person there, then what's the point of all this conversation here? :-) I think you're probably right, but I was hoping to avoid it, since it's hard to make time to go talk to someone there.
Also, I was assuming the 2/3/4 rule stands, which is why in my initial post had me opening two cards immediately, and a 3rd a month later. And having my wife open two cards. (I assumed those counted separately, but had the question about if being an Authorized User counts against the 2/3/4 totals.)
This is a big life decision. As I suggested before and as cf suggested, I think you should go in in-person. If I decide to open an account with BoA, I would go in-person. Good luck!
OP @losvedir ,
I can see the light at the end of the tunnel of doing this exact move, from Fidelity, Chase, and Schwab to BAML. Your plan is sound but since I've done this in the last 30 days I have some points:
- I'm not married so I don't have direct experience, but my understanding is that you each should get PH individually. Otherwise it won't work to share PR.
- At present with the $750 deal, you can get up to that much PER account for up to two ME accounts per person - a CMA and an IRA simultaneously. You can stack that to the current bonus of opening any new checking account for $200 after setting up direct deposit (for which a single $2,001 push EFT from fidelity brokerage account counts, see https://www.doctorofcredit.com/bank-america-100-checking-bonus-public-nationwide/).
- No fees incurred so far, and with the potentially 6x sign on bonuses (3x per person: checking, CMA, IRA), it is quite lucrative.
- At the time of opening your checking account, there's a box you can check to be expedited for PR consideration, it says on the 30th day after account opening whatever assets you have will be considered. It was a complex process for me, from multiple institutions and transfer types, but they checked for PR status a good week before that 30 day mark, and granted a lower status. When, still ahead of that 30 day mark, my assets passed the next threshold, it automatically updated it. Extremely easy.
- I have read that it takes about a month for PR status changes to affect credit card earning multiples, so I am waiting a full month before beginning to apply for CCs to maximize the SUB spending bonus. This month-long waiting period is where I am now, in April I'll start the CC applications like you: PRE and a cobranded CCR on day one with a single hard pull, and cobranded CCR when next eligible, and eventually a UCR.
- I've had to contact ME/BAC customer service 3 times, more than any other instution, and they've been great. Minimal wait times. One supervisor on the asset transfer desk even remembered me when I ended up talking with him 2 weeks after our first contact.
- The only negative I've had so far is how difficult it is to place orders for their money market mutual funds. FSIXX has a very early market close time, especially if you're on the west coast. Never had to set a timer alarm to place a mutual fund order before.
Good luck, I hope your experience is as smooth as mine has been.
Editing to add this discussion was really helpful: https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150033
@losvedir wrote:I have had BofA checking and saving accounts for almost 20 years now, but without much money, and no Merrill account.
This might be a sticking point with setting this up. It was really easy to fast track the enrollment when opening a brand new checking account because you just tick the "Preferred Rewards" box and you can automatically qualify in within the first 30 days. If you're starting from an existing checking account I think BoA might make it more difficult to fast track qualification?
You should also be able to get $350 for opening the Merrill Edge account with the current ME750 offer: https://www.merrilledge.com/offers/me750
I sort of agree with others that the increased credit card rewards alone probably aren't worth setting this up, but having just done this I found $1k+ of incentives worth the effort:
There are no fees for moving existing ETF holdings, so no concerns there.
Overall I find this beneficial to hold these funds with margin enabled so I have a pool of emergency cash I can tap into outside of my main brokerage holdings. I don't want to go "all in" with BoA, but as a backup pool of funds that can also get me some elevated credit card rewards I think this is a good option.
- Should I get Platinum Honors before I apply for the cards? Maybe that will let me get more and/or with higher credit limits.
Note that the Platinum Honors bonus points are awarded when the transactions posts, not when it's redeemed. If you get the card before you qualify into PH you won't get the elevated earnings on the card until that status kicks in.
Bonus question: If I want a US Bank Altitude Reserve, how to throw that into the mix?
The Altiude Reserve is an awesome card to add to this mix. The biggest reason I like this setup is that I don't have to care about how any given merchant will code. If I tap with my phone I get pretty much the highest rate I can get anywhere, and if I fall back to the BoA PRE it's still good enough to not worry about missed rewards.
Basically it goes like this:
The PRE works because I primarily fly Delta so I can book through the portal and Delta will take over the reservation as if it were booked directly so portal bookings are "penalty free" - this is not the case with other airlines like AA. If I were not using an airline I was comfortable booking through the portal this setup would be a much tougher sell.
I'm not bothering with the CCRs because they don't move the needle for my situation. With the $2500/quarter cap that's a maximum return of $525/year, which is only $197 over what I can get by just using the PRE. Moreover, with the CCRs I have to worry about merchant categories again. To enhance my returns I'm picking up cards with substantial sign-up bonuses where the return is worth far more than $525 and I don't have to care about spend categories when I'm just spending to hit the MSR for the bonus.
I am currently keeping my Amazon 5% card, Target debit card (pay using the wallet in app), US Bank Cash+ (utilities), INK Cash (Streaming/Internet/Cell service), Bonvoy Brilliant, Delta Reserve, Amex BBP (business spend), and CSP (5x on portal airfare, Dashpass) but that's only because I already hold the cards and I don't have to consider them as possible payment methods outside of their established lanes.
@Hansolojr wrote:How are you getting those numbers on PRE? @SpaethCo
The PRE has the same base earning as the PR.
2% on travel/dining * 1.75 (75% Platinum Honors bonus) = 3.5%
1.5% on everything else * 1.75 = 2.625%
What makes the PRE different is if you book airfare through the BoA portal the cash back is worth 25% more. (ie, 10,000 points buys $125 of airfare)
So if you use your cash back to book airfare, this is your effective return:
3.5% * 1.25 = 4.375%
2.625% * 1.25 = 3.28%