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K-in-Boston
Credit Mentor

Re: Huge Marriott Devaluation coming

@redpat you want to do this the hard way?  Let's see who wins each itinerary.  Smiley Tongue

 

A - Tsaghkadzor, Armenia | Tbilisi, Georgia | Sochi, Russian Federation

 

B - Santa Cruz, Bolivia | Curaçao, Curaçao | Frigate Bay, St. Kitts and Nevis | Port-au-Prince, Haiti

 

C - Copenhagen, Denmark | Leipzig, Germany | Sarajevo, BiH

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iced
Valued Contributor

Re: Huge Marriott Devaluation coming


@MacRoadie wrote:

For me, the biggest change has to be the dramatic reduction in available rooms for upgrades:

 

https://viewfromthewing.com/marriott-adds-capacity-controls-to-limit-awards-at-many-hotels/

 

https://onemileatatime.com/marriott-bonvoy-capacity-controls/

 

Was thinking of picking up the Bonvoy Brilliant, but I think I'll pass. 


Upgrades? I had upgrade certs burst into flames on Jan 1 because it was impossible as a Titanium Elite to redeem them. 75+ nights; 1 night in one hotel accepted the upgrade out of them all. I learned my lesson and just take the night credits now instead.

 

To be fair, about 20 of those nights they upgraded me without using the cert, but I'll reiterate what I've said in other threads: upgrades at Hilton or Marriott (or most hotels) is a very subjective term. Upgrade doesn't mean 'buy a king garden view and get the El Presidente Suite', it means 'buy a king and get a king two floors higher'. Once in a while they'll roll out the red carpet and give you a corner room with a door between the living area and sleeping area, but don't ever come to expect such rarities. Sure, they show the upgrade to El Presidente as an option on the website, but believe me when I say it's a unicorn on a fishing hook. Land one, even as an Ambassador, and you won the Marriott Lottery.

 

I cannot imagine someone actually spending points for such trivial upgrades.

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K-in-Boston
Credit Mentor

Re: Huge Marriott Devaluation coming

iced, I get upgrades all the time even if it's just to the concierge floor, a corner room, or a larger room (the size of my last corner room was ridiculous due to the building layout; I've been in smaller nightclubs), but I've definitely had full suite upgrades as Gold (pre-merger), Platinum, and Titanium.  No problems using my SNAs.

 

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iced
Valued Contributor

Re: Huge Marriott Devaluation coming


@K-in-Boston wrote:

iced, I get upgrades all the time even if it's just to the concierge floor, a corner room, or a larger room (the size of my last corner room was ridiculous due to the building layout; I've been in smaller nightclubs), but I've definitely had full suite upgrades as Gold (pre-merger), Platinum, and Titanium.


I suspect what you're calling a full suite I'm calling a doorway between sleeping and living areas. I expect a little more than a bedroom to call it a suite. Corner rooms are pretty common, and I'm almost always top or near-top floor, but those are also very marginal upgrades. My idea of suite is 350 square foot bathroom, hot tub in the unit, and enough seating in the living area for 8. Those happen once or twice at best. Maybe my expectations are too high.

 

Please also tell me you did not use points at the AC in Copenhagen. It's a cool modern hotel with stupid showers, but would never use points there.

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K-in-Boston
Credit Mentor

Re: Huge Marriott Devaluation coming

By suite, I mean two couches in a living room, a dining table with seating for 12, a separate kitchen, two bathrooms and a half bath, separate bedroom, etc.  Marriott and Sheraton can be oh so kind at times.

 

IIRC you and I are two different types of travelers.  Mine is 100% leisure, whereas I believe yours is mostly business, so when and where I am staying sometimes lends itself to easy upgrades.  Marriott and Sheraton are going to have those rooms available much more readily over the weekend than if I were flying in on a Tuesday for the convention next door.

 

No, I have not stayed at the AC.  I was just taking the mickey out of Hilton with a bunch of cities or entire countries where they have no presence.  😛

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redpat
Senior Contributor

Re: Huge Marriott Devaluation coming


@K-in-Boston wrote:

@redpat you want to do this the hard way?  Let's see who wins each itinerary.  Smiley Tongue

 

A - Tsaghkadzor, Armenia Pass | Tbilisi, Georgia Pass | Sochi, Russian Federation Pass

 

B - Santa Cruz, Bolivia Never would go| Curaçao, Curaçao I'll stick w/ Grand Cyman | Frigate Bay, St. Kitts and Nevis Ok | Port-au-Prince, Haiti Never would go!

 

C - Copenhagen, Denmark Ok | Leipzig, Germany Ok| Sarajevo, BiH Never would go


Lol! See in red, many places I wouldn't even what to go no matter the redemption.  Lol, is this how you get these redemptions, you couldn't pay me enough to go to Haiti.  I'll go to work on some, TBC.

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iced
Valued Contributor

Re: Huge Marriott Devaluation coming


@K-in-Boston wrote:

By suite, I mean two couches in a living room, a dining table with seating for 12, a separate kitchen, two bathrooms and a half bath, separate bedroom, etc.  Marriott and Sheraton can be oh so kind at times.

 

IIRC you and I are two different types of travelers.  Mine is 100% leisure, whereas I believe yours is mostly business, so when and where I am staying sometimes lends itself to easy upgrades.  Marriott and Sheraton are going to have those rooms available much more readily over the weekend than if I were flying in on a Tuesday for the convention next door.

 

No, I have not stayed at the AC.  I was just taking the mickey out of Hilton with a bunch of cities or entire countries where they have no presence.  😛


By nights, I'm actually about 60/40 leisure to business. If we're going by spend, I'm probably closer to 80/20 leisure/business. When I'm on OPM, it's SpringHill Suites or Fairfields for me; when I'm on leisure, it's usually Autograph Collection, followed closely by JWs and Marriotts. While I almost never break $150/night on business, I've broken $1,000/night out of pocket on leisure more than once. I'm about to go somewhere warmer to the tune of almost $800/night in two weeks (a Marriott, if you care to guess where). I'll let you know if they upgrade me; I doubt it even though it's a very small property as I'm sure someone else spent $2,000/night on the top-tier options.

 

On leisure, I don't see those kind of suites but once every few years unless I pay cash for them. I'm probably either staying at properties that are too popular with people willing to pay cash for those suites or I keep losing out to the Ambassadors staying at the same time. About a third the time I'll get the bigger corner room or the one with a bedroom, but they're usually in less-interesting locales like Atlanta or Baltimore. When I'm staying in the San Franciscos, NYCs, Dubais, or Hong Kongs of the world, I don't get the nice suites though I do usually at least get a high floor.

 

I won't tell redpat about Helsinki or a few other cities I've been to where there's no Marriott option but there are Hiltons then. Smiley Happy 

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redpat
Senior Contributor

Re: Huge Marriott Devaluation coming


@iced wrote:

@K-in-Boston wrote:

By suite, I mean two couches in a living room, a dining table with seating for 12, a separate kitchen, two bathrooms and a half bath, separate bedroom, etc.  Marriott and Sheraton can be oh so kind at times.

 

IIRC you and I are two different types of travelers.  Mine is 100% leisure, whereas I believe yours is mostly business, so when and where I am staying sometimes lends itself to easy upgrades.  Marriott and Sheraton are going to have those rooms available much more readily over the weekend than if I were flying in on a Tuesday for the convention next door.

 

No, I have not stayed at the AC.  I was just taking the mickey out of Hilton with a bunch of cities or entire countries where they have no presence.  😛


By nights, I'm actually about 60/40 leisure to business. If we're going by spend, I'm probably closer to 80/20 leisure/business. When I'm on OPM, it's SpringHill Suites or Fairfields for me; when I'm on leisure, it's usually Autograph Collection, followed closely by JWs and Marriotts. While I almost never break $150/night on business, I've broken $1,000/night out of pocket on leisure more than once. I'm about to go somewhere warmer to the tune of almost $800/night in two weeks (a Marriott, if you care to guess where). I'll let you know if they upgrade me; I doubt it even though it's a very small property as I'm sure someone else spent $2,000/night on the top-tier options.

 

On leisure, I don't see those kind of suites but once every few years unless I pay cash for them. I'm probably either staying at properties that are too popular with people willing to pay cash for those suites or I keep losing out to the Ambassadors staying at the same time. About a third the time I'll get the bigger corner room or the one with a bedroom, but they're usually in less-interesting locales like Atlanta or Baltimore. When I'm staying in the San Franciscos, NYCs, Dubais, or Hong Kongs of the world, I don't get the nice suites though I do usually at least get a high floor.

 

I won't tell redpat about Helsinki or a few other cities I've been to where there's no Marriott option but there are Hiltons then. Smiley Happy 


I would go to Denmark, please tell......Thanks iced, winner, winner.......

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Message 28 of 36
K-in-Boston
Credit Mentor

Re: Huge Marriott Devaluation coming

@redpat If you're going to Denmark, go in summer, because you're not finding a Hilton.  You passed on some beautiful destinations.

 

@iced  There are three Marriott properties in Helsinki, Finland.  Design Hotels, Autograph Collection, and Tribute Portfolio properties.  I know there are locations where it's true that there are Hiltons and no Marriotts, I was just exaggerating the point that it's one of the reasons I choose Marriott.

Message 29 of 36
iced
Valued Contributor

Re: Huge Marriott Devaluation coming


@K-in-Boston wrote:

@redpat If you're going to Denmark, go in summer, because you're not finding a Hilton.  You passed on some beautiful destinations.

 

@iced  There are three Marriott properties in Helsinki, Finland.  Design Hotels, Autograph Collection, and Tribute Portfolio properties.  I know there are locations where it's true that there are Hiltons and no Marriotts, I was just exaggerating the point that it's one of the reasons I choose Marriott.


They're all new acquisitions. They were not there as of late 2017. Used to be the Hilton Helsinki Strand or nothing. If the Hilton in Tel Aviv would just go away (it's not a great property and horribly overpriced), you could add that to your list of cities that are Hilton-free.

 

We're getting OT; what we need is a Smorgasboard topic on H vs M around the world. It could go on for paaaaaages.

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