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I have the Sapphire and do not understand points.

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takeshi74
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Re: I have the Sapphire and do not understand points.


@Anonymous wrote:

I have the Sapphire and do not understand points


Yikes, don't apply for what you don't understand.  Make sure you know what you're applying for, how it works and that you've run the numbers for your spend to determine the rewards you'd stand to get and their value.  For point/miles rewards programs you really need to look beyond the earn rates and consider redemptions as well.

 


@Anonymous wrote:

I am new to the rewards game. Is there a card that one can use at any site?  


Nope.  If you need that versatility then you need to go with cash back.

 


@Anonymous wrote:

Is there a downside to the card? 



@Anonymous wrote:

Of these cards, which is the best one?


 

These are highly subjective matters. If you want feedback you need clarify your needs, wants etc. What's a downside to one may not be to the next. What's best to one may not be to the next. You need to provide the context for evaluating these cards. Give us as much info as possible. If you're looking to maximize rewards then an idea of your spend categories and the volumes that you run through them are needed.

 


@Anonymous wrote:

I still see it as a free flight. Whether it costs 400 or 500 after fees is less relevant.


One should ideally consider the value per point/mile when assessing such rewards programs and redemption methods.  If redeeming for domestic economy travel then, yes the difference may be small.  However, the real value generally comes from transferring and redeeming for premium international travel where there is a signficant difference in value per point/mile versus domestic economy.

 

Again, it all depends on the individual's specific goals.  If one wants to maximize rewards on point/miles programs then one will consider the value per point/mile.  If one thinks free is free and that's good enough then running the numbers isn't as important.  Each has to determine what works best for the individual.  I'd still recommend running numbers though.  If one isn't maximing point/mile value then one might get about the same or possibly more out of a cash back card with less hassle -- especially if one is getting very poor value via point/mile redemption.  For example, with MR it's easy to end up getting 0.6 cents per point with certain redemption methods.  I'm not sure if that's the worst possible option for MR but it is poor.

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Anonymous
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Re: I have the Sapphire and do not understand points.

Sorry OP for piggybacking on your post. I have no idea about points/miles either which is why I don't currently have a points/miles rewards card.

Questions: If I were looking for a points/miles card specifically for international travel, what would you all suggest? Is there a specific card you would suggest for domestic travel?

Specifics: domestic travel up to 3xs a year. International travel once every couple of years.

Thanks in advance for your help!

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jsucool76
Super Contributor

Re: I have the Sapphire and do not understand points.


@beautifulblaquepearl wrote:
Sorry OP for piggybacking on your post. I have no idea about points/miles either which is why I don't currently have a points/miles rewards card.

Questions: If I were looking for a points/miles card specifically for international travel, what would you all suggest? Is there a specific card you would suggest for domestic travel?

Specifics: domestic travel up to 3xs a year. International travel once every couple of years.

Thanks in advance for your help!


It's all about the signup bonuses. For people who only fly 3x a year domestic, unless each one is a transcon, it's going to take you years to be able to get a nce redemption (other than the signup bonus).in a straight up frequent flyer program. 

 

Citi Premier, or prestige are great.Maybe CSP and freedom. 

 

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Open123
Super Contributor

Re: I have the Sapphire and do not understand points.


@jsucool76 wrote:

It's all about the signup bonuses. For people who only fly 3x a year domestic, unless each one is a transcon, it's going to take you years to be able to get a nce redemption (other than the signup bonus).in a straight up frequent flyer program. 

 

Citi Premier, or prestige are great.Maybe CSP and freedom. 

 


Unless one is a big spender, in today's climate, for a person who wishes to travel, the most efficient way to accomplish this is to prudently and strategically harvest sign-up bonus promos.

 

*Edited*  PS - Even big spenders should take the bonuses before allocating spend to non-bonus charges.

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Anonymous
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Re: I have the Sapphire and do not understand points.

I am still trying to figure out why anyone would apply for a credit card (especially one with an AF) without understanding how to best utilize its benefits.....

 

The CSP's high value boils down to this ---- Transfer partners.  If you aren't transferring points to a CSP partner then you are wasting your time and your money.  Don't redeem the points for statement credit.  Don't redeem the points by booking travel directly from Chase.  If your long-term strategy is to do either of these then I would recommend that you close CSP and get another card.

 

I apologize for being negative but I am having a difficult time understanding why you got a CSP in the first place.

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Anonymous
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Re: I have the Sapphire and do not understand points.

No worries!! Smiley Very Happy  To be quite honest, my decision to apply for CSP was not entirely rational.  Having said that, I do want to learn how to maximize its benefits. I noticed that Southwest is one of its partners so I will look into that as an option.  Thanks for the honest feedback. That is what I appreciate most about this forum.  Such honesty helped me improve my credit score by 300 points--from a poor 450 to a current 757 Experian FICO score : )

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Open123
Super Contributor

Re: I have the Sapphire and do not understand points.


@Anonymous wrote:

No worries!! Smiley Very Happy  To be quite honest, my decision to apply for CSP was not entirely rational.  Having said that, I do want to learn how to maximize its benefits. I noticed that Southwest is one of its partners so I will look into that as an option.  Thanks for the honest feedback. That is what I appreciate most about this forum.  Such honesty helped me improve my credit score by 300 points--from a poor 450 to a current 757 Experian FICO score : )


No harm done!  It was a mistake that put $400 in your pocket!  If only all our mistakes in life could lead to a similar result.

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red259
Super Contributor

Re: I have the Sapphire and do not understand points.


@beautifulblaquepearl wrote:
Sorry OP for piggybacking on your post. I have no idea about points/miles either which is why I don't currently have a points/miles rewards card.

Questions: If I were looking for a points/miles card specifically for international travel, what would you all suggest? Is there a specific card you would suggest for domestic travel?

Specifics: domestic travel up to 3xs a year. International travel once every couple of years.

Thanks in advance for your help!


There is not one answer to this. What you should do is identify where you want to travel to and where you want to stay. Then the next step is to identify airlines/hotels brands that service that area. Then you look at the different credit card programs to see which programs will let you redeem with travel partners servicing the area you want to travel to. Then you look at those programs and see which ones offer the best value and which credit card products offer the best bonus in those specific programs. Also, when you are selecting credit card products it helps to look to see what categories they have for bonuses. If you spend a lot in those categories already it will help you build up your point balance faster. If you are not looking to travel international within the next two years then you probably don't need to worry about building up those point balances yet unless an amazing offer comes along. If you want to travel international within the next two years then you want to get started.

 

For domestic travel look at your hubs and what airlines service them. Unless you are going coast to coast I don't think first class is really worth it on domestic flying and coach is just fine. For domestic flights you may want to look at cash back cards with which you can choose any airline and look for bargain basement prices. However, you could look at something like the citi prestige card. Yes it has a $450 AF but you can get $250 airline credit each year which can be applied directly to flight purchases. Also if you are flying on AA you can redeem the signup bonus at a higher rate and get some free domestic flights that way. It will also give you AA lounge access when you fly them and PP lounge access. Hotel cards can also be of a value if you are travelling to expensive destinations. For example the chase hyatt card gives you two free nights and the citi hilton reserve gives you two free weekend nights as signup bonus. Not all that valuable if you are staying in budget accommodations, but it is a tremendous value if you are staying in expensive cities where rooms can go for a couple hundred a night or more (if it were me I would pair these hotel nights with international destinations but that is only personal preference). Again no point in going for such signups until you are closer in to the travel date as some of the free nights expire after a year or two.  

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Anonymous
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Re: I have the Sapphire and do not understand points.


@Anonymous wrote:

No worries!! Smiley Very Happy  To be quite honest, my decision to apply for CSP was not entirely rational.  Having said that, I do want to learn how to maximize its benefits. I noticed that Southwest is one of its partners so I will look into that as an option.  Thanks for the honest feedback. That is what I appreciate most about this forum.  Such honesty helped me improve my credit score by 300 points--from a poor 450 to a current 757 Experian FICO score : )


I apologize again for coming across rather harshly.  We all start somewhere and it terrific to see you progressing into the "Excellent" bucket Smiley Happy

 

As I live in Dallas, I frequently travel via Southwest and the redemption rate varies but overall it is pretty darn awesome.  It brings a smile to my face when a $400 round trip flight can be purchased with reward points that have a value of only $150.  The $400-equivalent sign-up bonus probably paid close to $1100 worth of flights.

 

I was at first intimidated by the whole transfer points situation, but I got over that quickly once I saw how large of a value they can have. 

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Anonymous
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Re: I have the Sapphire and do not understand points.

No problem.  I live in Houston by the way Smiley Happy  Southwest flies out of here too so I'm glad that it is one of CSP's partners.  I feel that I now have all the cards that I need.  Time for me to garden for a while.  My number one objective is to purchase a home late next year and I want to maximize my credit score as much as possible.  For some reason, my EQ is still lagging gehind though I have zero late payments and zero collections on all three credit bureaus.  Thanks again for your help!

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