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Is it really a "DP" - or is it an anecdote?

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elboullee
Regular Contributor

Is it really a "DP" - or is it an anecdote?

I'm not singling anyone out here, because I see this a lot. But I've had this question, rhetorical though it may be, for a while now.

 

What bank/card doesn't  "like to see lots of spend"? Are there any banks out there that are going to actually penalize someone for "lots of spend" so long as there are no red flags for illicit behavior?

 

I'm just having a hard time imagining someone writing a bankcard alogithm like if: >>> <$10:month = :$20K CLI<<<

 

Sure, there are some things that are so pervasive, that the banks don't announce, like Chase 5/24 and Apple/TU, that they can be counted on to be accurate ~95% of the time. But I feel like a lot what get reported here as  "DPs", absent specific language from the issuer, are really a lot closer to anecdotes, that there are so many variables to a bank's algorithm that there's no way to point to what exactly might trigger a CLI for one person and not for another.

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coldworld
Regular Contributor

Re: Is it really a "DP" - or is it an anecdote?

Synchrony doesn't like to see a lot of spend (I'm kidding of course)

 

it sounds like you're applying the scientific definitions of "data" and "anecdotal evidence" to a non scientific forum. 

There way too many variables to account for trying determine who gets CLIs and when. Instead the goal here is for people to share their experiences and situations in the hope that a pattern emerges and/or common denominators are found. So far the most common factor is "lots of spend". 

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Anonymous
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Re: Is it really a "DP" - or is it an anecdote?

Well, assuming a poster is providing correct information, it really is a DP (e.g. on card X with starting limit Y," I spent $19M a month for 48 months and I just got a $100 CLI!")   It's when the forum (or individual) draws a conclusion from the data points that things become more murky.

Especially if the conclusion is of the form "If I do that, then I should expect a similar result"

 

So, to answer the underlying question of the OP, yes, it is really unreliable,  but possibly the best we have.  Because of the basic unreliability, I wouldn't change my behavior too much for some of these goals, e.g. switching a lot of high rate reward spend to card X because they "like lots of spend" in the hope of getting a CLI (and I think CLIs are WAAAYY overvalued here, but that's another story).   But each person makes their own determination

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CorpCrMgr1
Valued Contributor

Re: Is it really a "DP" - or is it an anecdote?

In answer to your first question, I have a Comenity Sportsmanship Guide Visa I got back in the Shopping Cart Trick days. With a $14K CL, I put very little spend.  I have a under $7 streaming device auto charged. It has been years since I purchased anything from the retailer. Comenity doesn't seem to mind.

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ptatohed
Senior Contributor

Re: Is it really a "DP" - or is it an anecdote?


@elboullee wrote:
I'm not singling anyone out here, because I see this a lot. But I've had this question, rhetorical though it may be, for a while now.

 

What bank/card doesn't  "like to see lots of spend"? Are there any banks out there that are going to actually penalize someone for "lots of spend" so long as there are no red flags for illicit behavior?

 

I'm just having a hard time imagining someone writing a bankcard alogithm like if: >>> <$10:month = :$20K CLI<<<

 

Sure, there are some things that are so pervasive, that the banks don't announce, like Chase 5/24 and Apple/TU, that they can be counted on to be accurate ~95% of the time. But I feel like a lot what get reported here as  "DPs", absent specific language from the issuer, are really a lot closer to anecdotes, that there are so many variables to a bank's algorithm that there's no way to point to what exactly might trigger a CLI for one person and not for another.


You had me at 'a lot', vs the all-too-common 'alot'.  Not sure what you said after that.  Smiley Wink     

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Slabenstein
Valued Contributor

Re: Is it really a "DP" - or is it an anecdote?


@elboullee wrote:
 

I'm just having a hard time imagining someone writing a bankcard alogithm like if: >>> <$10:month = :$20K CLI<<<


Picturing it as someone writing an algorithm for Amex might be a help to the imagination here.


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CashOutReFi
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Re: Is it really a "DP" - or is it an anecdote?

With this being 1.) a forum of any kind, but especially 2.) one of a financial nature, the hair splitting here is especially intense. 

Posters say "DP" knowing that immediately starting into their story, sans qualifier, will make them a target for naysayers dismissing their experience as "just an anecdote". 

Same tactic in which people say "please delete if not allowed". To preempt the wrist slapping, tongue lashing, and communicate that they understand if a post violates one of 100 rules of which they may not be aware (!!!) that mods can simply take the action, and spare the lecture. 

Yet there are some people, ahem, who insist on further arguing the semantics of a title, ever dissatisfied. Only part of having intelligence is knowing what is right, the other part is knowing what is meant, even when technically incorrect at face value. 

Smile and nod, so we can continue the discussion to a resolution. No need to slam on the brakes repeatedly for trivial, non-material defects. 

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Anonymous
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Re: Is it really a "DP" - or is it an anecdote?


@CashOutReFi wrote:



Smile and nod, so we can continue the discussion to a resolution. No need to slam on the brakes repeatedly for trivial, non-material defects. 


Not to split hairs, sure, there's no need, but there's also no need not to!

 

Actually, if you believe that discussions here can continue to anything remotely approaching a resolution, well, have a got a credit card offer for you!

 

 

[Sorry]

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CashOutReFi
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Re: Is it really a "DP" - or is it an anecdote?


@Anonymous wrote:

@CashOutReFi wrote:



Smile and nod, so we can continue the discussion to a resolution. No need to slam on the brakes repeatedly for trivial, non-material defects. 


Not to split hairs, sure, there's no need, but there's also no need not to!

 

Actually, if you believe that discussions here can continue to anything remotely approaching a resolution, well, have a got a credit card offer for you!

 

 

[Sorry]


I believe the scientific method is too high a bar to set for any kind of testing or replicating a poster's experience. The critical piece we are missing is the ability to change only one variable at at a time:

 

1. Accounts continue to age

2. Inquiries may fall off month to month

3. Past histories between members are what they are, and cannot be mirrored for an apples to apples comparison 

 

The above factors will always color any kind of test we try to influence scores, get a CLI, or approval - PIF, AZEO, multiple payments per cycle. 

As humans, we would like to think we know SOMETHING about SOMETHING after so many years on this earth. We get sick of reading the same 5 bullet points about credit in news articles and finance blogs. This is where we duke it out! 

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Remedios
Credit Mentor

Re: Is it really a "DP" - or is it an anecdote?

I always wondered why "splitting hairs" is used to describe unnecessary distinctions especially since the splitting method is not further described. Therefore, cutting hair is splitting one end from another,  it's absolutely necessary unless one wants to end up with split hair ends, and we're right back where we started - splitting hairs 

 

Or something like that. 

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