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TheFate
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Multiple PIF's each month

Does a lender frown upon you for constantly charging and PIF multiple times throughout the month just to avoid going over your UTI?

 

I find myself doing this quite a bit with my QS card since it only has a $500 limit... I know others say its ok to max it out and pay it off before it reports but I dont charge more than 20% EVER. I'll just pay it off then charge another 20% then repeat. Could this affect future CLI's?

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Josh2942
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Re: Multiple PIF's each month

I cant speak for any other lender but when my Cap one Journey had a 500 limit (first credit card) I charged it up multiple times and paid in full three times a month. I than got an auto CLI to 3k. 

Jaguar F-Type R Loan 50K Balance
Goldman Sachs Signature Loan $29,000 TU 750 score pulled at time of loan.
Student Loan Debt $1,500
Credit Card Debt $300 1>% of $166,700
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TheFate
Established Contributor

Re: Multiple PIF's each month

Thats good to know how much UTI would you put on it before PIF? Also how long did it take to get that Auto CLI?

 

 

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Josh2942
Established Contributor

Re: Multiple PIF's each month

In terms of UTI, it never reported at more than 10% ever. I charged up 477 and paid it right back. I got the auto CLI after the 7statement thru credit steps. Which was only supposed to be 750. It propelled me into prime credit and the cards I keep in my wallet which you see in my sig. But the increases stopped so I no longer user for anything other than iTunes purchases of about 6 dollars a month which I let report
Jaguar F-Type R Loan 50K Balance
Goldman Sachs Signature Loan $29,000 TU 750 score pulled at time of loan.
Student Loan Debt $1,500
Credit Card Debt $300 1>% of $166,700
FAKO Transunion 723 Equifax 744
What's in my wallet? Chase Sapphire Reserve, Chase Freedom Unlimited, and AMEX Blue for Business
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VirtualCuriosity
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Re: Multiple PIF's each month


@TheFate wrote:

Does a lender frown upon you for constantly charging and PIF multiple times throughout the month just to avoid going over your UTI?

 

I find myself doing this quite a bit with my QS card since it only has a $500 limit... I know others say its ok to max it out and pay it off before it reports but I dont charge more than 20% EVER. I'll just pay it off then charge another 20% then repeat. Could this affect future CLI's?


I often wondered about this.  I would think that they don't care, so long as you are using their card?  BUT, I am wondering since I did this with Discover and Chase for a year and they won't give a CLI, it does make me wonder more.  I would pay in full every two weeks, sometimes even in between.  It was/is just the way I budget spending money more comfortably.  


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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Multiple PIF's each month


@VirtualCuriosity wrote:

@TheFate wrote:

Does a lender frown upon you for constantly charging and PIF multiple times throughout the month just to avoid going over your UTI?

 

I find myself doing this quite a bit with my QS card since it only has a $500 limit... I know others say its ok to max it out and pay it off before it reports but I dont charge more than 20% EVER. I'll just pay it off then charge another 20% then repeat. Could this affect future CLI's?


I often wondered about this.  I would think that they don't care, so long as you are using their card?  BUT, I am wondering since I did this with Discover and Chase for a year and they won't give a CLI, it does make me wonder more.  I would pay in full every two weeks, sometimes even in between.  It was/is just the way I budget spending money more comfortably.  


It's seriously hard to predict how any lender will react to things in their data; however, they can and quite possibly will notice.

 

I'm not a fan of the multiple payments during a month (unless you're maxxing the card out multiple times, by all means PIF multiple times and badger the lender for a CLI while you're at it) as the vast majority of consumers simply don't do that. 

 

That said, there's things that lenders hate a lot more, and I suspect this one is between somewhat and utterly trivial in comparison: maybe worth a *shrug* by an UW looking at it, but likely not much more than that though in an infinite universe and not knowing what their data shows, meh... I simply don't want lender attention and that's likely a peculiarity instrinsic to me: nothing to see here, exactly what you expect, move along!

 

Edit: on the plus side their data might show that you're at less risk of default, but if I had to guess, it probably is more indicative of paycheck to paycheck behavior.




        
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js0319
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Re: Multiple PIF's each month

I had a $2k secured card that I was running about $3-4k per month through. I was paying it frequently, sometimes twice per week because it reported right after all of my bills were due. I did this for a year, and then it became a partially secured card with $2,500, and a year after that it became fully unsecured with a $5k CL. Every time I asked for an increase, I stated my case that I wanted to show them I was responsible and always knew what was on my card since I was primarily using it instead of my debit card. It also helped me establish a better relationship with them because I made my payments in person. This was with a CU though, but paying multiple times per month and running as much as I could through the card did help me get where I am today. 


AMEX PRG - NPSL I AMEX Everyday Preferred - $34.8k I Capital One Venture - $20k I Chase Sapphire Preferred - $25.5k I Chase Southwest Rapid Rewards Premier - $20.7k I Barclay Arrival + - $10k I Capital One Quicksilver - $10k I NFCU Flagship Rewards Visa Signature - $15k I NASA FCU - $10k I Texell FCU Visa - $5k I Chase Freedom - $9.9k I Citi Double Cash - $7.8k I Discover IT - $5k I NFCU CLOC - $15k I Total Unsecured Credit - $188,700

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destine2grow
Frequent Contributor

Re: Multiple PIF's each month

I also have a low CL on my Cap 1 QS1. I am still rebuilding. I max the card out several times throughout the month and I PIF a minimum of 4x a month. I am hoping in Oct (6 mths) I get a nice CLI if not I will contact Cap 1 via FB. I have asked for cap 1 to increase my CL several times but I have to wait until I am out of the credit steps program.

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Broke_Triathlete
Valued Contributor

Re: Multiple PIF's each month

To go along with what the OP was asking I have a spinoff question. I put as many auto pay options I could on my new cap 1 cards to show some action along with paying for everything with the plastic. Then each Monday I pay whatever the balance is down to $10 so the cards will report something. Is that a good philosphy? Or should I have them report more? The $10 is not even1% utilization, but it's something. So in all reality I'll be paying 4-5 times per month on each card. Thoughts?

Personal:

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VirtualCuriosity
Established Contributor

Re: Multiple PIF's each month


@Revelate wrote:

@VirtualCuriosity wrote:

@TheFate wrote:

Does a lender frown upon you for constantly charging and PIF multiple times throughout the month just to avoid going over your UTI?

 

I find myself doing this quite a bit with my QS card since it only has a $500 limit... I know others say its ok to max it out and pay it off before it reports but I dont charge more than 20% EVER. I'll just pay it off then charge another 20% then repeat. Could this affect future CLI's?


I often wondered about this.  I would think that they don't care, so long as you are using their card?  BUT, I am wondering since I did this with Discover and Chase for a year and they won't give a CLI, it does make me wonder more.  I would pay in full every two weeks, sometimes even in between.  It was/is just the way I budget spending money more comfortably.  


It's seriously hard to predict how any lender will react to things in their data; however, they can and quite possibly will notice.

 

I'm not a fan of the multiple payments during a month (unless you're maxxing the card out multiple times, by all means PIF multiple times and badger the lender for a CLI while you're at it) as the vast majority of consumers simply don't do that. 

 

That said, there's things that lenders hate a lot more, and I suspect this one is between somewhat and utterly trivial in comparison: maybe worth a *shrug* by an UW looking at it, but likely not much more than that though in an infinite universe and not knowing what their data shows, meh... I simply don't want lender attention and that's likely a peculiarity instrinsic to me: nothing to see here, exactly what you expect, move along!

 

Edit: on the plus side their data might show that you're at less risk of default, but if I had to guess, it probably is more indicative of paycheck to paycheck behavior.


Good points and yes, we purely speculate.   I will however disagree with multiple payments being indicitive of pay to pay behavior.  If there is notice to be taken at least in my case and many others I read about, I think you are right.  But, I think the reason may be more related to them recognizing who is only gaining rewards and not showing them luv in monthly charges. 


TU713, EQ 731 , EX 726 (As of 12/13/14) - Personal Goal = 760

“Beware of little expenses. A small leak will sink a great ship” – Benjamin Franklin

Gardening since 3-26-15































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