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New MyFico Trend?? "Less is More?"

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driftless
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Re: New MyFico Trend?? "Less is More?"

Thank you.
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Anonymous
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Re: New MyFico Trend?? "Less is More?"

I'm with whoever said "have a plan". I currently have three cards and want four more, but two of the cards I want will allow me to sock drawer two of my current cards. I plan on carrying maybe five at all times, which I think is reasonable for maximizing category spend. I don't understand of point of a dozen or more cards though. The app spree thing seems very unhealthy with certain people.
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kdm31091
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Re: New MyFico Trend?? "Less is More?"

I've always been in the less is more camp. In terms of everyday spending, beyond a sign on bonus, the more cards you spread your spend across, the longer it's going to take to realize meaningful rewards on each. You can only spend so much on things like groceries, gas, dining, etc. It can also lead to overspending in the pursuit of rewards.

 

I do honestly think part of the reason you see a "less is more" trend is that several banks have locked people out of repeated sign on bonuses at this point, which takes away a lot of the appeal of constant applications for some.

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grillandwinemaster
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Re: New MyFico Trend?? "Less is More?"


@kdm31091 wrote:

I've always been in the less is more camp. In terms of everyday spending, beyond a sign on bonus, the more cards you spread your spend across, the longer it's going to take to realize meaningful rewards on each. You can only spend so much on things like groceries, gas, dining, etc. It can also lead to overspending in the pursuit of rewards.

 

I do honestly think part of the reason you see a "less is more" trend is that several banks have locked people out of repeated sign on bonuses at this point, which takes away a lot of the appeal of constant applications for some.


KDM, I do believe you have a valid point.  With Chase being a top credit card issuer, and them sticking with there self-imposed 5/24 rule, they have essentially stopped a lot of people from continously growing there portfolio.  According to cardrates.com, Chase is the largest credit card issuer.  http://www.cardrates.com/news/credit-card-companies/

 

In essence, they can have a significant impact on the "less is more" movement.


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darkfrosty
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Re: New MyFico Trend?? "Less is More?"

I've never wanted more like 4-5 cards at any given time
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vanillabean
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@EdMan63 wrote:

I've always been in the less is more category. But I agree, one should do whatever works best for that individual. Unfortunately many people find this forum and get caught up in the credit frenzy and open up a bunch of accounts without really knowing what works best for them. As they mature in their credit knowledge and spending habits, their needs become more clear and the inevitable "thinning of the herd" behavior begins or taking a more refined approach. We always talk about credit being a journey not a race. This is so true but most of us aren't very patient and want everything now. I don't think either approach is wrong, but if we took our time building our profiles, it would be all the better with either approach. 


 

It's not easy being human!

 

 


@driftless wrote:
You would hope that people, particularly those who are rebuilding, would post in the Approval Section; those approvals are a big deal. The threads that annoy me in the Approval Section are the pages and pages where the posters only post "congrats!" and nothing more.

 

Congratulations and Repetitive Posts (Thread Bombing)?

 

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Anonymous
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Re: New MyFico Trend?? "Less is More?"

I guess I just think a little bit differently than others on number of cards.  I like a total of $50k in revolving lines.  I'd like to keep that amount with three different banks just in case one wants to end their relationship with me.  I recently went up to $61.5k in total revolving limits.  I am closing two cards as soon as the payment clears.  I am more interested in diversification with close to $50k total.  I just don't feel like I will ever need more than that.  From start to finish I think I played this thing as good as I could have.  20 points away from 800.

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driftless
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Re: New MyFico Trend?? "Less is More?"


@grillandwinemaster wrote:

@kdm31091 wrote:

I've always been in the less is more camp. In terms of everyday spending, beyond a sign on bonus, the more cards you spread your spend across, the longer it's going to take to realize meaningful rewards on each. You can only spend so much on things like groceries, gas, dining, etc. It can also lead to overspending in the pursuit of rewards.

 

I do honestly think part of the reason you see a "less is more" trend is that several banks have locked people out of repeated sign on bonuses at this point, which takes away a lot of the appeal of constant applications for some.


KDM, I do believe you have a valid point.  With Chase being a top credit card issuer, and them sticking with there self-imposed 5/24 rule, they have essentially stopped a lot of people from continously growing there portfolio.  According to cardrates.com, Chase is the largest credit card issuer.  http://www.cardrates.com/news/credit-card-companies/

 

In essence, they can have a significant impact on the "less is more" movement.


It is not just Chase, Amex has a lifetime limit on sign up bonus for each card and there are limits to how many Amex cards that you can have. Capital One has just instituted a one card per six month rule. Other banks are closing accounts based on inquiries and too many accounts. I am guessing that you will see a continuation of banks locking out churners and moving to solidify long term card holders.
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galahad15
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Re: New MyFico Trend?? "Less is More?"


@Anonymous wrote:

I understand the viewpoint, but two confounding factors:

 

1) In a "hostile" environment caused by a recession, having too many cards (or too big total CL) MIGHT make you more of a priority for AA than otherwise, i.e. in an effort to avoid it, you actually become more of a target.

2) If the recession is big enough, lenders will more or less move in lthe same direction: i.e.  you won't get  get to keep the 4.9% APR on one card for very long while your other cards go up to 22%, they will all go high.

 

Outside of extreme conditions though, some redundancy is worthwhile, then it's just a question of the degree needed!


Thanks for your valuable input and feedback, what you had mentioned above are indeed very valid and excellent points.  One example you had mentioned in the second bulleted item above did in fact happen to me, where in 2008 during CARD Act, my now-Discover IT card was ratejacked from from a then-5.24% V APR to 15.99% V or thereabouts; I was eventually able to after some years to negotiate it back down with Discover to a current rate of 10.49% V, taking into account the Fed's Dec. 14th rate hike.  And so yes, it's certainly true that if rates go high enough, extremely-low APR cards in the range of say 4.xx% - 5.xx% could easily have their variable-rate margins increased, or their fixed rates converted to high variable rates (I also had a then-5.99% F DPR card closed out after I declined a RJ to 15.99%-ish V, for instance).  One distinct advantage that fixed-rate cards have is that even if they are ratejacked, the existing balance prior to the RJ remains at the old, pre-RJ APR, as per CARD Act legislative requirements.

 

The other point I wanted to briefly mention was, sometimes cards that are in-between the upper-lows and lower-highs of APRs may be able to remain intact, depending on the range you're looking at.  For example, while my 5.99% F DPR card was closed and my Discover More (now IT) doubled from 5.24% V to presently 10.49% V, my now-BoA Cash Rewards WMC has stayed at exactly the same rate it has been for the past 10 years and where it first started out at, at 9.99% F.  It was the only fixed-rate card I had at that time that survived CARD Act, and my theory as to why it wasn't also RJ'd is possibly b/c it was higher than the lowest lows, but in range with the lowest-highs to remain intact; i.e., it was closer to 10%+.  Then again, I have known people who have been able to keep very low APRs of 4.xx% - 5.xx% F even after CARD Act, so who knows, I may be 100% wrong in my premise here, lol.

 

As to the first bullet point, j/c do you recommend closing out some redundant cards that are no longer used much, to reduce one's risk footprint for AA?  For example, I have several other low-APR cards not presently listed in my signature, such as my BoA TR VS at 9.74% V, and my Ring card, at 8.50% V, that I hardly ever actively use.  I also rarely use my high-APR Chase Freedom and Slate cards.   Do you think it might make sense to close out some or all of the above?  Also is it ever a good idea to request an intentional CLD during a recession-like environment, on cards that one knows one wants to keep long-term?


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