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I think I am missing something. Why would anyone need 15+ credit cards and over 150,000 dollars as a credit line.? If you have a high income, why wouldn't you just have 2 or 3 credit cards with a high credit line?
This is a VERY common topic. Please see prior discussions on the matter:
What others do or no not is irrelevant. You need to make your decisions based on your specific needs/wants. If those happen to lead to X number of cards then the number is just a byproduct and not a reason in and of itself.
@Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone need 15+ credit cards and over 150,000 dollars as a credit line.?
Consider how revolving utilization is assessed. If the general advice is do not exceed 30% and optimal is under 10% then 150K allows for 15K of spend without micormanaging utilization and having an optimal level of utilization for scoring purposes. That said, paying down balances before they report is certainly an option that many utilize to manage reported utilization. While 15K may sound high to some, spend varies from person to person and some prefer to be at a lower utilization rate which would lower the amount of spend possible to maintain such a rate.
My total limits are higher than that but even with balances being carried on 0% offers my utilization is still under 10% for my spend. Keep in mind that revoling utilization is a significant scoring and risk factor, falling under Amounts Owed below.
http://www.myfico.com/crediteducation/whatsinyourscore.aspx
@Anonymous wrote:If you have a high income, why wouldn't you just have 2 or 3 credit cards with a high credit line?
Not necessarily. Income and credit are two entirely different things. While both income and credit are considered when granting limits you can't conflate the two. Additionally, even if one has good credit one isn't always going to get high limits. My scores are in the 800's, my income is just a bit over 6 digits and my highest limit card has a $30K limit. However, my newest cards were issued with $5K limits due to credit activity over the past couple of years. Most of my accounts were opened in 2013 or later.
Income and number of cards can't be conflated either. I have 13 cards mainly for maximizing rewards but some cards I keep mainly for utilization padding and a few are being used to park balances under 0% BT offers.
Different people have different reasons for the number of cards that they have. Some are addicted to approvals. Some are collectors. For some it's a hobby. Some are looking to diversify creditors, payment networks, etc. Some are looking to collect as much available credit as possibe and multiple cards/creditors can help with that since each creditor has a limit on what they're willing to extend for any given credit profile.
@Anonymous wrote:I think I am missing something. Why would anyone need 15+ credit cards and over 150,000 dollars as a credit line.? If you have a high income, why wouldn't you just have 2 or 3 credit cards with a high credit line?
There are a couple points in here that can be broken apart:
1) NEED v. WANT. Some people like having lots of cards and lots of available credit. It makes them happy. Applying for credit cards may be their hobby.
2) Number of cards. Different people have different spending profiles and different goals. Some poeple like the simplicity of running everything through one card, and that's okay. Others prefer to try to maximize their rewards. This often involves individual cards for specific spends, such as groceries, gas, restaurants, hotels, etc. Still others like to pick up rewards through churning through offers. This means that they are always applying for new cards in order to get the intro bonus, but they get the very maximum value available.
3) The credit line. Very few people NEED $150k in credit, but it is comforting to know that it is there. I don't need any credit. I could put everything on a debit card, but I like having the option to put everything on credit because I could lose my job. In that case, I'm may need credit to float myself for a couple months, and if I don't have it, I'm not going to be able to get it then.The other part of the lines is that many banks are reticent to give very high lines. Some do, but most have internal caps for cards and overall risk with that bank. That means that in order to get to those high overall credit lines, you need to have a whole bunch of decent lines available to you.
Thank you both for taking the time to answer my question. Very much appreciated.
Good Utilization can be obtained with 4-5 cards as much as it can with 10+ cards.
Ultimately for me, the two store cards I have are it, the 1 bank card will be added to later with 2-3 more. That gives me around 5-6 which is plenty.
Right now I'm building more of my assets up, as well as my credit history. My ultimate goal is $100,000+ in assets plus a high credit line (among a half dozen cards) around 50k.
@takeshi74 wrote:This is a VERY common topic. Please see prior discussions on the matter:
What others do or no not is irrelevant. You need to make your decisions based on your specific needs/wants. If those happen to lead to X number of cards then the number is just a byproduct and not a reason in and of itself.
@Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone need 15+ credit cards and over 150,000 dollars as a credit line.?
Consider how revolving utilization is assessed. If the general advice is do not exceed 30% and optimal is under 10% then 150K allows for 15K of spend without micormanaging utilization and having an optimal level of utilization for scoring purposes. That said, paying down balances before they report is certainly an option that many utilize to manage reported utilization. While 15K may sound high to some, spend varies from person to person and some prefer to be at a lower utilization rate which would lower the amount of spend possible to maintain such a rate.
My total limits are higher than that but even with balances being carried on 0% offers my utilization is still under 10% for my spend. Keep in mind that revoling utilization is a significant scoring and risk factor, falling under Amounts Owed below.
http://www.myfico.com/crediteducation/whatsinyourscore.aspx
@Anonymous wrote:If you have a high income, why wouldn't you just have 2 or 3 credit cards with a high credit line?
Not necessarily. Income and credit are two entirely different things. While both income and credit are considered when granting limits you can't conflate the two. Additionally, even if one has good credit one isn't always going to get high limits. My scores are in the 800's, my income is just a bit over 6 digits and my highest limit card has a $30K limit. However, my newest cards were issued with $5K limits due to credit activity over the past couple of years. Most of my accounts were opened in 2013 or later.
Income and number of cards can't be conflated either. I have 13 cards mainly for maximizing rewards but some cards I keep mainly for utilization padding and a few are being used to park balances under 0% BT offers.
Different people have different reasons for the number of cards that they have. Some are addicted to approvals. Some are collectors. For some it's a hobby. Some are looking to diversify creditors, payment networks, etc. Some are looking to collect as much available credit as possibe and multiple cards/creditors can help with that since each creditor has a limit on what they're willing to extend for any given credit profile.
+1000000 Couldn't have been said better
I'm not one who needs a bunch of credit cards but I understand that everyone is different and everyone has a different goal or objective when it comes to managing their finances. I currently have 3 credit cards and one store card. My long-term goal is to have 5 or 6 credit cards. I've never used credit cards that much in my life but since going through a credit challenge a few years ago and now in the process of rebuiding my credit, I've learned that taking a more acitve approach is a very posiive way to manage your life. Monitoring your reports and tracking your spending is a good way to stay on top of your finances. Credit cards can be a very effective tool to help you do that.
With all the rewards available today, it certainly makes sense to have at least a couple of good cards to run your monthly spend through rather than get nothing from a debit card or cash. They also provide some protection. I like that. I'll never understand having a large amount of cards (10+) but I won't begrudge those that do. It's their life and their money.
Great answers! I'm familiar with all that, but one thing that was new to me and that I learned through this site is that there are people that do get addicted to apps and card collecting.
@Anonymous wrote:There are people that do get addicted to apps and card collecting.
I sleep with my credit cards... not sure if I should be worried.