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Offsetting Maldives Ocean Villa Trip Cost Using Points

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TSlop
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Offsetting Maldives Ocean Villa Trip Cost Using Points

My wife wants to go to the Maldives in 6 years, so I'm starting to plan ahead on how to pay for it. She wants to stay over the water, so anything else is not an option. After some Google searches, it appears there are hotels with over water villas that can be purchased with points.

 

Anyone have any suggestions on what point system to use to start banking points to help offset the cost of the trip? So far, I'm thinking about sticking with Chase URs. The points can transfer to Emirates or United, which could help offset flying costs. The points also transfer to Hyatt, Marriott, and IHG, which I believe all have ocean villas that can be purchased with points. I haven't begun to research which ocean villas we'd like to stay in, so if I bank URs, I'm hoping those 3 have a nice options out there. I believe Hilton has property there, but I think their costs are up to 300k points per night, so I don't really want to go all in with HH point hoarding... especially since I can't do anything else with those points.

 

I just started to research things, so this is only the early stage of planning, but I'm looking for any input anyone would like to give, especially if you have offset the cost of a trip there with points. Even if some of the best places to stay aren't available by points, I can hopefully at least offset the plane cost, or upgrade us.

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iced
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Re: Offsetting Maldives Ocean Villa Trip Cost Using Points

The bungalows at Maldives and Bora Bora are among the most desired places to stay in the world, and point redemptions for them come at a cost as a result. There have been cases of good redemptions, particularly during low seasons or off weeks, but by and large they will either come at heavily devalued point rates, or in many cases not be offered for points at all. Your best bet is to find the hotel that has the bungalow you want and check its rates to see if it's something you can redeem points for. If you do find one for points, expect it to be anywhere from 500k to 2+ million points for a week, depending on program.

 

The other headwind you may face is that partial award redemptions (ie, using them for upgrades rather than the ticket outright) are among the worst values in redemption, so if you can't go big you will not get nearly as much return. When you consider than a Y to J upgrade can cost 400k points plus an additional $2k in copays for 2 people to upgrade R/T versus 600k points and maybe a couple hundred in fees for the J tickets outright, upgrades can quickly reveal themselves to be lousy redemptions. Room upgrades with points will likely not even be an option -- those bungalows sell easily for cash, so there's little incentive to sell them for points.

 

UR or MR is about as safe a play as you can make since it's somewhat program agnostic, but I'd say priority one is figuring out the airline and hotel you want to use for this trip and then start banking as many points with them as you can. By knowing this, you can also start taking advantage of dining/shopping programs to get additional points, plus fly those airlines and stay in those hotels between now and then to bank even more points.

 

Personally, I'd recommend you just pay cash for the room and use points on getting there. A week in a bungalow will only be around $7k (plus meals), which is cheaper than a pair of J tickets from the US to the Maldives that you can score for 500k-900k miles (possibly less if you get really lucky with routing and dates and find a saver award).

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TSlop
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Re: Offsetting Maldives Ocean Villa Trip Cost Using Points


@iced wrote:

The bungalows at Maldives and Bora Bora are among the most desired places to stay in the world, and point redemptions for them come at a cost as a result. There have been cases of good redemptions, particularly during low seasons or off weeks, but by and large they will either come at heavily devalued point rates, or in many cases not be offered for points at all. Your best bet is to find the hotel that has the bungalow you want and check its rates to see if it's something you can redeem points for. If you do find one for points, expect it to be anywhere from 500k to 2+ million points for a week, depending on program.

 

The other headwind you may face is that partial award redemptions (ie, using them for upgrades rather than the ticket outright) are among the worst values in redemption, so if you can't go big you will not get nearly as much return. When you consider than a Y to J upgrade can cost 400k points plus an additional $2k in copays for 2 people to upgrade R/T versus 600k points and maybe a couple hundred in fees for the J tickets outright, upgrades can quickly reveal themselves to be lousy redemptions. Room upgrades with points will likely not even be an option -- those bungalows sell easily for cash, so there's little incentive to sell them for points.

 

UR or MR is about as safe a play as you can make since it's somewhat program agnostic, but I'd say priority one is figuring out the airline and hotel you want to use for this trip and then start banking as many points with them as you can. By knowing this, you can also start taking advantage of dining/shopping programs to get additional points, plus fly those airlines and stay in those hotels between now and then to bank even more points.

 

Personally, I'd recommend you just pay cash for the room and use points on getting there. A week in a bungalow will only be around $7k (plus meals), which is cheaper than a pair of J tickets from the US to the Maldives that you can score for 500k-900k miles (possibly less if you get really lucky with routing and dates and find a saver award).


Thanks for your input! That sounds about right, we'll have to try and pinpoint what we want first. One of the ones my wife is looking at is not a chain, so it will be cash if we choose that one. In that case, as you recommend, my points can be used to help us get there. I foresee lots and lots of research in the years ahead, so I think I'll play it safe with building URs while we decide.

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jcooks
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Re: Offsetting Maldives Ocean Villa Trip Cost Using Points

I'm in similar stages to you in research.  One thing that you have to factor in is the cost of getting from airport to the actual resort.  Round trip per person:

St Regis - $745

JW Marriott - $600

W Maldives - $505

The Westin - $475

Waldorf Astoria - $732

Conrad - $526

 

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NRB525
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Re: Offsetting Maldives Ocean Villa Trip Cost Using Points

Well, checking the Hyatt option, while you can get a room for points, it's a room on the island, not an over-water villa. Those aren't available for Hyatt points. And that is common with points programs these days, you usually get a basic room for points. It's in a fabulous location, but it's not the excellent room in most cases. 

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iced
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Re: Offsetting Maldives Ocean Villa Trip Cost Using Points

The W Maldives is showing point redemptions for OTW rooms at the moment, though the range is still in-line with my original estimate (~500k for 6 nights, though you can go as low as 425k if you're flexible on time of year), but they are the basic OTW room. If the desire is a room on stilts with a bed they do fine, but if you want the nice room with the better views, it's over a million points.

 

The base room redemption rate is surprisingly good, at the moment: 500k points for 6 nights in the $1330/night base OTW (1.6 cpp, even better at 425k for certain dates), but falls as you upgrade: 800k points for 6 nights in the $1550/night mid-tier OTW (1.1 cpp), or 1 million for the lagoon-view which is also $1720/night (1 cpp). The value comes from getting one night free with 5+ night redemptions, which would actually put a 5 night stay at the peak of value return, though I haven't dug into flight patterns to know how feasible that even is (some locations only have 3-4 flights per week rather than daily).

 

Having done the math, I'd still throw 500k UR at an airline program for J tickets over the hotel redemption as 1.6 cpp, while unusually great for Marriott, is middling to poor for most premium cabin airline redemptions. If you're natually accruing Bonvoy points through stays and want to burn some it's a good rate to use them, but I'd still recommend focusing spend-based point accruals on airlines where those J tickets will turn into at least double that return, if not significantly higher.

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ChargedUp
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Re: Offsetting Maldives Ocean Villa Trip Cost Using Points

I'd say just bank as many URs and /or MRs as possible and play it by ear. 

 

Who knows what kind of promos Chase and Amex will be running 6 years from now. Chase may do a Pay Yourself Back promo that makes just putting the trip on the card and using URs to wipe out the purchase a better deal than anything! When you get within, say 12 - 18 months I'd start putting the itinerary together and seeing what works best with the points you've collected 😎

 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: Offsetting Maldives Ocean Villa Trip Cost Using Points


@ChargedUp wrote:

I'd say just bank as many URs and /or MRs as possible and play it by ear. 

 

Who knows what kind of promos Chase and Amex will be running 6 years from now. Chase may do a Pay Yourself Back promo that makes just putting the trip on the card and using URs to wipe out the purchase a better deal than anything! When you get within, say 12 - 18 months I'd start putting the itinerary together and seeing what works best with the points you've collected 😎

 

 


Right, to me the big unknown is the large timeframe, certainly hotels can be bought and sold during that period, so banking on chain X still being the owner of your chosen place is a little risky.

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cashorcharge
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Re: Offsetting Maldives Ocean Villa Trip Cost Using Points

Oddly enough, I just read this article the other day.

I know TPG has several posts about his preferences in the Maldives and similar to this post, Bonvoy Points are the primary story.  
One of the challenges you should note, each year I read about the "New Bonvoy Redemption Rates" and many properties change category...usually requiring more...though some less points for a nights' stay.  With your planning so far in advance, this could be a hiccup for you so perhaps steering towards a card/spend that has the greater transfer ability in case in 2 years you decide to go from Hilton to Bonvoy or another chain...at least something to be mindful of.

 

https://frequentmiler.com/le-meridien-maldives-villa-selection-which-is-best/

 

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jdbkiang
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Re: Offsetting Maldives Ocean Villa Trip Cost Using Points

6 years is a LONG time to be planning ahead. It's hard to know what the travel space will look like by then, especially with how quickly things have been changing. 

Waldorf Astoria might be one of the most famous properties there and nights can be booked for roughly 150K/night, making it 600K for 5 nights (5th night free with Hilton Amex). If you get a few of the Hilton cards for both you and your wife, you can easily rack up a million points, which, combined with the free nights you could get from the aspire, would net you roughly 2 weeks at that property. 


That's just one example, but every major hotel chain has properties that take point redemptions in the Maldives, and even if the OW Bungalow can't be booked, they're usually pretty good at upgrading you (sometimes for free with status/special occasion) if you pay a set nightly rate. 

 







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