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Bman70
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PIF technique

 

OK so I'm new here, and I find it slightly confusing to avoid paying interest while using my cards and paying in full. One is Cap1 Quicksilver, the other BofA 123 Rewards. I just read BofA's terms, and they compute "average daily balance" - the average balance for every day of the cycle - and charge interest on that? I don't see how to avoid paying interest if I carried any balance at all during the month, under this scenario. Because even if it's paid off when they calculate, they will still compute all the days of the cycle, including when it wasn't paid? My payment due date is on the 5th for BofA. 

 

On Cap1, the due date is on the 25th. The statement cuts on the 28th and interest is billed right before that. Here even my rudimentary math skills tell me if I PIF on the 25th, I shouldn't see any interest. I think the due dates are changeable on both cards. 

 

Any tips on PIF strategy? Or illuminating links on avoiding interest? Thanks


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NoAnchoviesPlease
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Re: PIF technique


@Bman70 wrote:

 

OK so I'm new here, and I find it slightly confusing to avoid paying interest while using my cards and paying in full. One is Cap1 Quicksilver, the other BofA 123 Rewards. I just read BofA's terms, and they compute "average daily balance" - the average balance for every day of the cycle - and charge interest on that? I don't see how to avoid paying interest if I carried any balance at all during the month, under this scenario. Because even if it's paid off when they calculate, they will still compute all the days of the cycle, including when it wasn't paid? My payment due date is on the 5th for BofA. 

 

On Cap1, the due date is on the 25th. The statement cuts on the 28th and interest is billed right before that. Here even my rudimentary math skills tell me if I PIF on the 25th, I shouldn't see any interest. I think the due dates are changeable on both cards. 

 

Any tips on PIF strategy? Or illuminating links on avoiding interest? Thanks


Average daily balance is for the balance you carry that is not subject to grace period. My BofA statement has this PAYING INTEREST statement above the CALCULATION OF BALANCES section:

 

"We will not charge interest on Purchases on the next statement if you pay the New Balance Total in full by the Payment Due Date, and you had paid in full by the previous Payment Due Date."

 

This pretty much means that if you start with a zero balance on (say) May 8th statement and charge up some amount during May/early June, you have until the next (June) statement's due date (i.e. July 5th) to pay it without incurring interest. 

 

Now if you start with a zero balance on your May statement, run up a balance, and June's statement cuts with a balance, and you pay half of it, the other half accrues interest from the purchase date. So if you charged $2k and paid $1k of it by the July 5 due date in the above example, you'd be paying interest on $1k from purchase date to payment date, starting with the July statement that's due August 5th. 

 

This is also why you will pay interest after paying a running balance off (i.e. if you have a balance for several months and then finally PIF, you'll have a partial month's interest to pay since your grace period had long expired). 

 

I think I got all the right numbers there, and welcome any correction or simplification Smiley Happy 

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Membersince2013
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Re: PIF technique

To avoid interest, pay the full statement balance and not the minimum or anything close to the minimum. For example if I have a statement balance of $400, but only paid $350 at or before the due date, interest will be charged on the remaining $50 and it will carry over to whatever balance I have before the next statement. Basically, pay in full at or before the due date. Pay what the "statement balance" says.
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gdale6
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Re: PIF technique


@Membersince2013 wrote:
To avoid interest, pay the full statement balance and not the minimum or anything close to the minimum. For example if I have a statement balance of $400, but only paid $350 at or before the due date, interest will be charged on the remaining $50 and it will carry over to whatever balance I have before the next statement. Basically, pay in full at or before the due date. Pay what the "statement balance" says.

Actually interest would be charged based on the avg. daily balance of the account during the preceeding cycle. OP to avoid interest charges be sure to PIF the statement balance on or before the due date as stated.

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Bman70
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Re: PIF technique

OK thanks, I was getting confused by the actual balance vs. the New Balance Total. As long as I pay the New Balance per the statement, I can still be charging to the card but that won't factor until next statement's interest. I never thought about this before and have been paying decent interest that likely negates any rewards I get.. looking forward to changing that. 


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NoAnchoviesPlease
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Re: PIF technique


@Bman70 wrote:

OK thanks, I was getting confused by the actual balance vs. the New Balance Total. As long as I pay the New Balance per the statement, I can still be charging to the card but that won't factor until next statement's interest. I never thought about this before and have been paying decent interest that likely negates any rewards I get.. looking forward to changing that. 


When I started looking at the interest I was paying, even paying 10% over minimum, I just about fell on the floor. A lot of these companies depend on people not looking at the details, or getting confused with them. When you escape you're in good shape. Smiley Happy 

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gh17
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Re: PIF technique

When your statement comes, whatever the balance says, that's what you need to pay before the due date to avoid interest.  If you haven't been doing this forever, it will be a little confusing the first month, because you're still accumulating interest on the old stuff that's past the grace period.

 

If you go online and look at your balance today, and you pay that full balance right now, as soon as that payment hits you'll stop accumulating interest.  Ths month's bill will still have some interest from up until you made that payment.

 

Then in the future, every time the bill comes, pay the whole thing.  So say you make purchases throughout the month of May, and your bill comes on June 1st and it's due on June 25th.  None of those May purchases will accumulate any interest until after June 25th.

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NoAnchoviesPlease
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Re: PIF technique

What I'm still curious about... 

 

Let's say January through March statement balances were $0. No interest. In March, I charged $1000.

 

April statement was $1000, I paid $1000 before due date, no interest, and charged $500 before statement cut (to get util). 

 

So May statement was $500. I charged $1000 and paid $500.

 

Do I still get the grace period on that $1000? 

 

Seems like it doesn't matter when in the month I pay the previous "new balance" right?

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gh17
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Re: PIF technique


@NoAnchoviesPlease wrote:

What I'm still curious about... 

 

Let's say January through March statement balances were $0. No interest. In March, I charged $1000.

 

April statement was $1000, I paid $1000 before due date, no interest, and charged $500 before statement cut (to get util). 

 

So May statement was $500. I charged $1000 and paid $500.

 

Do I still get the grace period on that $1000? 

 

Seems like it doesn't matter when in the month I pay the previous "new balance" right?


I'm not quite sure what you mean.

 

In March, you bought $1000 worth of stuff.  This comes on your statement on let's say April 1st.  As long as you pay it by April 25th, you're good, no interest.

 

Now in April, you bought $500 worth of stuff.  Your May 1st statement comes, and it says $500.  As long as you pay it by May 25th, you pay no interest.

 

What do you mean by "I charged $1000 and paid $500"?  You charged $1000 in March, and you paid that, and you charged $500 in April, and you paid that.
  Your grace period on the $1000 was until April 25th.  Your grace period on the $500 was until May 25th.

 

I'm not sure what "new balance" is, but I assume it's just your total balance.  You have to pay the total balance by the due date in order to avoid any interest.

 

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gh17
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Re: PIF technique


@NoAnchoviesPlease wrote:

What I'm still curious about... 

 

Let's say January through March statement balances were $0. No interest. In March, I charged $1000.

 

April statement was $1000, I paid $1000 before due date, no interest, and charged $500 before statement cut (to get util). 

 

So May statement was $500. I charged $1000 and paid $500.

 

Do I still get the grace period on that $1000? 

 

Seems like it doesn't matter when in the month I pay the previous "new balance" right?


I read it again; I might understand what you mean.  Are you saying the following?

 

In March, you make $1000 in purchases.

Your April 1st (making up a date for simplicity) statement comes, and you pay the full $1000 before the due date of April 25th.

 

During the month of April, you may $500 in purchases.

Your May 1st statement comes, and it lists the balance of $500, and you pay $500 before the due date of May 25th.

 

During the month of May, you make an additional $1000 of purchases.  So you are thinking about how in May, you made both a purchase and a payment.

 

If that's what you're saying - now when your June 1st statement comes, the balance is going to show $1000, and the $1000 consists entirely of "May purchases."  You have until June 25th to pay this without interest.  Even though you paid $500 in May and charged $1000, there is a grace period for $1000 (not just for $500).  Your $500 payment was towards your previous balance and has nothing to do with your current spending, since you're still paying off the old purchases.

 

As long as you pay the full balance on your statement every month, you're fine.

 

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