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Remedios
Credit Mentor

Re: Random Discover 4506-C Request


@KangiCosmos wrote:

@CreditCuriosity wrote:

@OmarGB9 wrote:

@marmaladepie wrote:

I know right? I would have liked that request to pop up during the application process.

I'm going to just let it ride and see what happens. If they close the account, that's fine.

 


What do you mean "just let it ride"? If you don't provide the info they're requesting, they will indeed close the account. That's well documented on here.


Agreed.  I would be proactive and ask if Bank Statements/Pay stubs will work vs tax otherwise just call them and tell them you will not provide any above mentioned and just have them close the account and get the pain over with if not willing to provide any of the above.  You might get lucky and they will take pay stubs otherwise it will be closed as pay stubs is your best outcome to their request and obviously worse case is pure closure as mentioned


I just spoke to them because I got the same thing. They will NOT take bank statements or anything else. I tried. Sending the consent through Equifax is baffling to me since there is still people like me who are waiting for the class action settlement from Equifax with breach of information. The consent is for 2020 and 2021 taxes. I hnestly don't understand people that are ok with Discover having access to your taxes or anyonelese names and social security numbers on those taxes who are not even apart of the account.

 

People talk about risk managemnt blah blahblha but if you have paid your card in full for several years straight obviously you are not a risk. 4 months ago I already had fraud on my credit account with someone opening a Paypal credit card. If I had dependent children on my taxes I sure wouldn't want some credit card company having there SSN in case of Dark Web breaches. Like I said. Equifax has already been breached what makes me think it can't happen again?


 

 

 

It's not that "people are okay with Discover" it's about the fact Discover has a right to do so, consumer has a right to decline. 

 

EQ had a big breach, but so did other two CRAs, not to mention retailers who are probably responsible for 95% of info floating on dark web but I don't see anyone going "Boycott Target!!!!" 

 

People complain about the fact it happens but it's spelled out in cardmember agreement, and before one hits final "Apply" button, they have to click on the box acknowledging info available to them PRIOR to completing the application.

 

I don't think Discover should be faulted for doing what they clearly spelled they may do.

Maybe if people start reading, things would work out a lot better for them ...

 

 

Screenshot_20230109_094234_Drive.jpg

 

Message 51 of 68
7774x
Established Contributor

Re: Random Discover 4506-C Request


@Remedios wrote:

@KangiCosmos wrote:

@CreditCuriosity wrote:

@OmarGB9 wrote:

@marmaladepie wrote:

I know right? I would have liked that request to pop up during the application process.

I'm going to just let it ride and see what happens. If they close the account, that's fine.

 


What do you mean "just let it ride"? If you don't provide the info they're requesting, they will indeed close the account. That's well documented on here.


Agreed.  I would be proactive and ask if Bank Statements/Pay stubs will work vs tax otherwise just call them and tell them you will not provide any above mentioned and just have them close the account and get the pain over with if not willing to provide any of the above.  You might get lucky and they will take pay stubs otherwise it will be closed as pay stubs is your best outcome to their request and obviously worse case is pure closure as mentioned


I just spoke to them because I got the same thing. They will NOT take bank statements or anything else. I tried. Sending the consent through Equifax is baffling to me since there is still people like me who are waiting for the class action settlement from Equifax with breach of information. The consent is for 2020 and 2021 taxes. I hnestly don't understand people that are ok with Discover having access to your taxes or anyonelese names and social security numbers on those taxes who are not even apart of the account.

 

People talk about risk managemnt blah blahblha but if you have paid your card in full for several years straight obviously you are not a risk. 4 months ago I already had fraud on my credit account with someone opening a Paypal credit card. If I had dependent children on my taxes I sure wouldn't want some credit card company having there SSN in case of Dark Web breaches. Like I said. Equifax has already been breached what makes me think it can't happen again?


 

 

 

It's not that "people are okay with Discover" it's about the fact Discover has a right to do so, consumer has a right to decline. 

 

EQ had a big breach, but so did other two CRAs, not to mention retailers who are probably responsible for 95% of info floating on dark web but I don't see anyone going "Boycott Target!!!!" 

 

People complain about the fact it happens but it's spelled out in cardmember agreement, and before one hits final "Apply" button, they have to click on the box acknowledging info available to them PRIOR to completing the application.

 

I don't think Discover should be faulted for doing what they clearly spelled they may do.

Maybe if people start reading, things would work out a lot better for them ...

 

 

Screenshot_20230109_094234_Drive.jpg

 


If people start reading this .. less people will signup for their  card ..Info Discover needs  for credit worthines can  be found  is on a Credit report.. amount of payments ,  income, late payments , total debt... mortgage/rent  Name .   

Message 52 of 68
FinStar
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Random Discover 4506-C Request


@7774x wrote:

If people start reading this .. less people will signup for their  card ..Info Discover needs  for credit worthines can  be found  is on a Credit report.. amount of payments ,  income, late payments , total debt... mortgage/rent  Name .   


Except that Discover is approving hundreds upon hundreds of accounts each week. And, while the majority of individuals (outside of this sphere) may not examine or pause and read those T&C's it hasn't stopped Discover from acquiring new accounts and the world still spins. So, creditworthiness aside, this risk mitigation process is outlined in their Annual Reports to the public and investors in the Risk section 🤷‍♂️

Bottom line, Discover isn't going out of business because of 4506-C requests since not all 57 million+ cardholders are subject to them.

Message 53 of 68
Remedios
Credit Mentor

Re: Random Discover 4506-C Request


@7774x wrote:

@Remedios wrote:

@KangiCosmos wrote:

@CreditCuriosity wrote:

@OmarGB9 wrote:

@marmaladepie wrote:

I know right? I would have liked that request to pop up during the application process.

I'm going to just let it ride and see what happens. If they close the account, that's fine.

 


What do you mean "just let it ride"? If you don't provide the info they're requesting, they will indeed close the account. That's well documented on here.


Agreed.  I would be proactive and ask if Bank Statements/Pay stubs will work vs tax otherwise just call them and tell them you will not provide any above mentioned and just have them close the account and get the pain over with if not willing to provide any of the above.  You might get lucky and they will take pay stubs otherwise it will be closed as pay stubs is your best outcome to their request and obviously worse case is pure closure as mentioned


I just spoke to them because I got the same thing. They will NOT take bank statements or anything else. I tried. Sending the consent through Equifax is baffling to me since there is still people like me who are waiting for the class action settlement from Equifax with breach of information. The consent is for 2020 and 2021 taxes. I hnestly don't understand people that are ok with Discover having access to your taxes or anyonelese names and social security numbers on those taxes who are not even apart of the account.

 

People talk about risk managemnt blah blahblha but if you have paid your card in full for several years straight obviously you are not a risk. 4 months ago I already had fraud on my credit account with someone opening a Paypal credit card. If I had dependent children on my taxes I sure wouldn't want some credit card company having there SSN in case of Dark Web breaches. Like I said. Equifax has already been breached what makes me think it can't happen again?


 

 

 

It's not that "people are okay with Discover" it's about the fact Discover has a right to do so, consumer has a right to decline. 

 

EQ had a big breach, but so did other two CRAs, not to mention retailers who are probably responsible for 95% of info floating on dark web but I don't see anyone going "Boycott Target!!!!" 

 

People complain about the fact it happens but it's spelled out in cardmember agreement, and before one hits final "Apply" button, they have to click on the box acknowledging info available to them PRIOR to completing the application.

 

I don't think Discover should be faulted for doing what they clearly spelled they may do.

Maybe if people start reading, things would work out a lot better for them ...

 

 

Screenshot_20230109_094234_Drive.jpg

 


If people start reading this .. less people will signup for their  card ..Info Discover needs  for credit worthines can  be found  is on a Credit report.. amount of payments ,  income, late payments , total debt... mortgage/rent  Name .   


Nah 

I don't know how many requests Discover has sent out in the last 4 years (this didn't start yesterday) and in a lot of instances, there was a discrepancy between what an individual is reporting for income vs info available to lenders these days 

"Ain't nobody gonna apply, they gonna be gonners" is revenge fantasy, totally out of touch with many millions of accounts they service.  

 

Something else that a lot of people seem to not understand, lenders know how easy it is to manipulate scoring algorithm. We have had members who maintained low to mid 700s up untill the moment they decided to file BK or simply let accounts get charged off. 

Everyone has perfect credit history until they don't. 

Again, no one has to comply. They don't have to lend. Everyone should get used to the idea that proverbial handshake in the form of credit report may not be enough for some lenders. 

 

 

Message 54 of 68
7774x
Established Contributor

Re: Random Discover 4506-C Request


@Remedios wrote:

@7774x wrote:

@Remedios wrote:

@KangiCosmos wrote:

@CreditCuriosity wrote:

@OmarGB9 wrote:

@marmaladepie wrote:

I know right? I would have liked that request to pop up during the application process.

I'm going to just let it ride and see what happens. If they close the account, that's fine.

 


What do you mean "just let it ride"? If you don't provide the info they're requesting, they will indeed close the account. That's well documented on here.


Agreed.  I would be proactive and ask if Bank Statements/Pay stubs will work vs tax otherwise just call them and tell them you will not provide any above mentioned and just have them close the account and get the pain over with if not willing to provide any of the above.  You might get lucky and they will take pay stubs otherwise it will be closed as pay stubs is your best outcome to their request and obviously worse case is pure closure as mentioned


I just spoke to them because I got the same thing. They will NOT take bank statements or anything else. I tried. Sending the consent through Equifax is baffling to me since there is still people like me who are waiting for the class action settlement from Equifax with breach of information. The consent is for 2020 and 2021 taxes. I hnestly don't understand people that are ok with Discover having access to your taxes or anyonelese names and social security numbers on those taxes who are not even apart of the account.

 

People talk about risk managemnt blah blahblha but if you have paid your card in full for several years straight obviously you are not a risk. 4 months ago I already had fraud on my credit account with someone opening a Paypal credit card. If I had dependent children on my taxes I sure wouldn't want some credit card company having there SSN in case of Dark Web breaches. Like I said. Equifax has already been breached what makes me think it can't happen again?


 

 

 

It's not that "people are okay with Discover" it's about the fact Discover has a right to do so, consumer has a right to decline. 

 

EQ had a big breach, but so did other two CRAs, not to mention retailers who are probably responsible for 95% of info floating on dark web but I don't see anyone going "Boycott Target!!!!" 

 

People complain about the fact it happens but it's spelled out in cardmember agreement, and before one hits final "Apply" button, they have to click on the box acknowledging info available to them PRIOR to completing the application.

 

I don't think Discover should be faulted for doing what they clearly spelled they may do.

Maybe if people start reading, things would work out a lot better for them ...

 

 

Screenshot_20230109_094234_Drive.jpg

 


If people start reading this .. less people will signup for their  card ..Info Discover needs  for credit worthines can  be found  is on a Credit report.. amount of payments ,  income, late payments , total debt... mortgage/rent  Name .   


Nah 

I don't know how many requests Discover has sent out in the last 4 years (this didn't start yesterday) and in a lot of instances, there was a discrepancy between what an individual is reporting for income vs info available to lenders these days 

"Ain't nobody gonna apply, they gonna be gonners" is revenge fantasy, totally out of touch with many millions of accounts they service.  

 

Something else that a lot of people seem to not understand, lenders know how easy it is to manipulate scoring algorithm. We have had members who maintained low to mid 700s up untill the moment they decided to file BK or simply let accounts get charged off. 

Everyone has perfect credit history until they don't. 

Again, no one has to comply. They don't have to lend. Everyone should get used to the idea that proverbial handshake in the form of credit report may not be enough for some lenders. 

 

 


What other credit card company  besides discover & amex....  demand tax returns from their customers ?.

Message 55 of 68
FinStar
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Random Discover 4506-C Request


@7774x wrote:

What other credit card company  besides discover & amex....  demand tax returns from their customers ?.


Aside for the standard 4506-C prompt for documents, Citi, SYNCB, Capital One, FNBO, BoA, WF, mid-regional banks, a variety of CUs, etc., whether at origination or during the course of an additional extensions of credit. POI requirements and the events that trigger such requests (e.g. 4506-C, tax docs, paystubs, financial or bank statements, etc.) will vary by each financial institution and not everyone is going to post on an internet board when such occurrences take place.

Message 56 of 68
7774x
Established Contributor

Re: Random Discover 4506-C Request


@FinStar wrote:

@7774x wrote:

What other credit card company  besides discover & amex....  demand tax returns from their customers ?.


Aside for the standard 4506-C prompt for documents, Citi, SYNCB, Capital One, FNBO, BoA, WF, mid-regional banks, a variety of CUs, etc., whether at origination or during the course of an additional extensions of credit. POI requirements and the events that trigger such requests (e.g. 4506-C, tax docs, paystubs, financial or bank statements, etc.) will vary by each financial institution and not everyone is going to post on an internet board when such occurrences take place.


read the forum here .. mainly/only  2...... disc , amex ask for   tax returns

Message 57 of 68
FinStar
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Random Discover 4506-C Request


@7774x wrote:

@FinStar wrote:

@7774x wrote:

What other credit card company  besides discover & amex....  demand tax returns from their customers ?.


Aside for the standard 4506-C prompt for documents, Citi, SYNCB, Capital One, FNBO, BoA, WF, mid-regional banks, a variety of CUs, etc., whether at origination or during the course of an additional extensions of credit. POI requirements and the events that trigger such requests (e.g. 4506-C, tax docs, paystubs, financial or bank statements, etc.) will vary by each financial institution and not everyone is going to post on an internet board when such occurrences take place.


read the forum here .. mainly/only  2...... disc , amex ask for   tax returns


Read past threads, lots of issuers. Tax returns are tax returns. Mainly/only is irrelevant since plenty of DPs exist for the other issuers. For this specific thread, obviously Discover.

 

At any rate, it's covered in Discover's Annual Report + 10-K filing, in their CCA (snapshot upthread by Remedios) and it's pretty much BAU.

 

Let's get back on topic.

Message 58 of 68
Saleen099
Senior Contributor

Re: Random Discover 4506-C Request


@7774x wrote:

@Remedios wrote:

@7774x wrote:

@Remedios wrote:

@KangiCosmos wrote:

@CreditCuriosity wrote:

@OmarGB9 wrote:

@marmaladepie wrote:

I know right? I would have liked that request to pop up during the application process.

I'm going to just let it ride and see what happens. If they close the account, that's fine.

 


What do you mean "just let it ride"? If you don't provide the info they're requesting, they will indeed close the account. That's well documented on here.


Agreed.  I would be proactive and ask if Bank Statements/Pay stubs will work vs tax otherwise just call them and tell them you will not provide any above mentioned and just have them close the account and get the pain over with if not willing to provide any of the above.  You might get lucky and they will take pay stubs otherwise it will be closed as pay stubs is your best outcome to their request and obviously worse case is pure closure as mentioned


I just spoke to them because I got the same thing. They will NOT take bank statements or anything else. I tried. Sending the consent through Equifax is baffling to me since there is still people like me who are waiting for the class action settlement from Equifax with breach of information. The consent is for 2020 and 2021 taxes. I hnestly don't understand people that are ok with Discover having access to your taxes or anyonelese names and social security numbers on those taxes who are not even apart of the account.

 

People talk about risk managemnt blah blahblha but if you have paid your card in full for several years straight obviously you are not a risk. 4 months ago I already had fraud on my credit account with someone opening a Paypal credit card. If I had dependent children on my taxes I sure wouldn't want some credit card company having there SSN in case of Dark Web breaches. Like I said. Equifax has already been breached what makes me think it can't happen again?


 

 

 

It's not that "people are okay with Discover" it's about the fact Discover has a right to do so, consumer has a right to decline. 

 

EQ had a big breach, but so did other two CRAs, not to mention retailers who are probably responsible for 95% of info floating on dark web but I don't see anyone going "Boycott Target!!!!" 

 

People complain about the fact it happens but it's spelled out in cardmember agreement, and before one hits final "Apply" button, they have to click on the box acknowledging info available to them PRIOR to completing the application.

 

I don't think Discover should be faulted for doing what they clearly spelled they may do.

Maybe if people start reading, things would work out a lot better for them ...

 

 

Screenshot_20230109_094234_Drive.jpg

 


If people start reading this .. less people will signup for their  card ..Info Discover needs  for credit worthines can  be found  is on a Credit report.. amount of payments ,  income, late payments , total debt... mortgage/rent  Name .   


Nah 

I don't know how many requests Discover has sent out in the last 4 years (this didn't start yesterday) and in a lot of instances, there was a discrepancy between what an individual is reporting for income vs info available to lenders these days 

"Ain't nobody gonna apply, they gonna be gonners" is revenge fantasy, totally out of touch with many millions of accounts they service.  

 

Something else that a lot of people seem to not understand, lenders know how easy it is to manipulate scoring algorithm. We have had members who maintained low to mid 700s up untill the moment they decided to file BK or simply let accounts get charged off. 

Everyone has perfect credit history until they don't. 

Again, no one has to comply. They don't have to lend. Everyone should get used to the idea that proverbial handshake in the form of credit report may not be enough for some lenders. 

 

 


What other credit card company  besides discover & amex....  demand tax returns from their customers ?.


JP Morgan and Citibank

Message 59 of 68
Spotsy
Frequent Contributor

Re: Random Discover 4506-C Request

From my limited experience with the '4506-C' issue....and what I have 'learned' from also asking questions about this....this basically means they (the credit card issuer) are having trouble verify with a certain degree of accuracy the income being stated against their sources of data to validate the stated income.  A LOT of things can cause the numbers to not align, inncocent or not, and they need 'reasonable' proof.  Not necessicarily because they don't trust us (well let's be honest, in the CC world we are guilty until we prove ourselves innocent), but they want to try and see if the monies might be from 'nefarious' sources.  CC issuers are subject to clawbacks.  At the end of the day...CC Issuers just want to ensure they get paid. This means they must issue CCs that are used.  They really don't want to make us mad....counter productive.

Now...CC issuers have the 'right' to ask for tax returns...and we have the 'right' to say no...and they have the 'right' to terminate the account.  I personally have issue with giving my complete tax return, with very few exceptions,  as there is data in there that will undoubltly get sold to third parties to then be used to try and sell me stuff I don't need...grrrr! There are too many options out there to get what I need without having to turn over my entire life story.  

 

Funny story....

I recently went through this tax return junk with buying a newish car, put 40% down, and didn't want to pay in full because money was still cheap and the market was doing too good use those funds for buying a depreciating asset.  Even though I have bought and sold over 10 cars in the last 10 years, this CU wanted a full tax return, all pages, I only gave them the signed front page, nope, they wanted it all, I said no...will give more but I will redact info that I felt was confidential, they said no, I said bye.  Went to another local CU, got a better rate, NO tax returns, and was out the door.  And of course I did need to call the first CU and rub it in their face.  The first CU had a particular UW that was not trained in how to manage clients with different levels of net worth ....so they lost the business.

 

my 5 cents...

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