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Seriously Paranoid with all the recent accounts closed by chase

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Re: Seriously Paranoid with all the recent accounts closed by chase

Indeed.
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Re: Seriously Paranoid with all the recent accounts closed by chase


@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:
 From time to time that can catch "innocents" .

LoL, M$'ers


Well, the context excluded those from "innocents":  From time to time that can catch "innocents" as well, who open a card and then find out it isn't a good match, and then get the right one.

 

And, as attested to by KDM, this happens to people who never MS

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FinStar
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Re: Seriously Paranoid with all the recent accounts closed by chase


@kdm31091 wrote:

Yeah, not just because of the Chase closures but also just to reduce clutter, I pared down to 1 Chase card, the Amazon Visa. Since they are perfectly fine with reallocating limits, I'd say people should try to reduce to no more than 2 cards with them. Yes you can have more than that, but it seems that you are raising your exposure by an undesirable amount. In the interest of diversifying, you probably don't want to have more than 1 or 2 cards with a certain lender anyway. Many of Chase's cards are similar (the travel ones, anyway) so having one travel and one of their "Regular" cards should be enough.

 

And yeah, time doesn't always mean much. Some creditors are more generous with CLI and additional lines if you've been with them. Others more or less consider each app seperately, with almost no bearing on whether you already have a card or not.


I did not know that besides acting as the MS police, you now tell folks how many cards with each lender they should have.  What an interesting and refreshing concept!  For one, you obvisouly have very limited experience with relationships and most lenders it seems.  Also, I have never had any issues with having several cards with any one type of lender, BofA, Citi, Chase, Barclays, etc., and for a very long time.  I don't need to MS nor do I care if folks do it or not - it's their own business.  By your "advice" it seems we would achieve a rewards and CC lending utopia by dedicating and/or limiting our relationship to just not 1 but 2 accounts - refreshing concept for someone who may not be as experienced. 

 

Whatever works for you that's great.  But you should note, there are plenty of folks who have high incomes and benefit from multile cards (rewards or otherwise) by any particular lender and also provides for a diverse lending portfolio.  Sure, maybe the mainstream concept is still predominant about placing all eggs in one basket but if any lending institution by default or benefit of such overall relationship provides other lending products (CCs, PLOCs, BLOCs, etc.) and if you qualify without raising any flags, why not? 

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red259
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Re: Seriously Paranoid with all the recent accounts closed by chase


@kdm31091 wrote:

Yeah, not just because of the Chase closures but also just to reduce clutter, I pared down to 1 Chase card, the Amazon Visa. Since they are perfectly fine with reallocating limits, I'd say people should try to reduce to no more than 2 cards with them. Yes you can have more than that, but it seems that you are raising your exposure by an undesirable amount. In the interest of diversifying, you probably don't want to have more than 1 or 2 cards with a certain lender anyway. Many of Chase's cards are similar (the travel ones, anyway) so having one travel and one of their "Regular" cards should be enough.

 

And yeah, time doesn't always mean much. Some creditors are more generous with CLI and additional lines if you've been with them. Others more or less consider each app seperately, with almost no bearing on whether you already have a card or not.


Chase has a number of products where having more than two cards can be warranted. This advice is terribly flawed. Sure you should have multiple lenders as a backup, but many people have more than two chase cards. I currently have three and am going for a fourth, because I have specific uses for each of the cards.  

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FinStar
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Re: Seriously Paranoid with all the recent accounts closed by chase


@red259 wrote:

@kdm31091 wrote:

Yeah, not just because of the Chase closures but also just to reduce clutter, I pared down to 1 Chase card, the Amazon Visa. Since they are perfectly fine with reallocating limits, I'd say people should try to reduce to no more than 2 cards with them. Yes you can have more than that, but it seems that you are raising your exposure by an undesirable amount. In the interest of diversifying, you probably don't want to have more than 1 or 2 cards with a certain lender anyway. Many of Chase's cards are similar (the travel ones, anyway) so having one travel and one of their "Regular" cards should be enough.

 

And yeah, time doesn't always mean much. Some creditors are more generous with CLI and additional lines if you've been with them. Others more or less consider each app seperately, with almost no bearing on whether you already have a card or not.


Chase has a number of products where having more than two cards can be warranted. This advice is terribly flawed. Sure you should have multiple lenders as a backup, but many people have more than two chase cards. I currently have three and am going for a fourth, because I have specific uses for each of the cards.  


Absolutely and well said.  Just with Chase alone, I currently have 6.

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red259
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Re: Seriously Paranoid with all the recent accounts closed by chase


@Anonymous wrote:

@jsucool76 wrote:

Despite what any thread anywhere says, in my opinion, there's always a "reason." 

 

Unless you're popping lates left and right, maxing out your card and making min payments, or apping for a new card every day, you'll most likely be fine. 


I understand your skepticism but read other boards and other threads unrelated to me and this board .... I am not alone.  Chase is closing some accounts and there is not more to the story or another "reason".  It's easy to hide behind the computer and assume that someone is abusing their credit or paying late but I am putting it out there - all of it - it just isn't there to speculate on this time.  Trust me, I have scrutinized every aspect.  The ONLY thing that remotely makes sense is I paid in full and earned points but didn't pay interest so they weren't making money on these cards.  I wouldn't think this would cause my accounts to close but given my bankers confidence - now - in seemingly thinking they will be reopened upon this review makes me think this is somehow some sort of end of the year restructuring.  I don't really know but my confidence is shot and it certainly was not specific to me and no fault of myself or my business and I was certainly not maxing out my cards.  

 

Having too much available credit is hardly a valid reason given my justifiable income and regular and constant payments.

 

To the OP:  No reason to be paranoid, just do as you normally would and let the cards fall where they will.  If it is meant to be, it will be and I truly believe I have been led to a better banking relationship as a result of this mishap so if you find yourself in my unfortunate circumstance, don't fret, regroup and something good will come from it.  If not, you will likely Love Chase like I did right up until this unfortunate falling out.


Gray, your situation always bothered me. What I find questionable is why you were getting such low credit lines to begin with from chase. It seems like your initial credit limits should have been much higher if you were bringing in the type of income mentioned. This leads me to believe that you were considered somewhat a risk by Chase from the start and they decided to shut you down when they saw you getting more credit with other lenders. Not saying its right, buit it seems clear to me that they saw something they didn't like from the very beggining. Probably something in their computer program. I have to wonder if they would have taken AA against you if you got that CLI a year from now when you had even more credit history with Chase. 

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Re: Seriously Paranoid with all the recent accounts closed by chase


@Anonymous wrote:
@FinStar, I figured they did this, lol.

It is Interesting that Chase had willfully extended more credit towards me than even AMEX who I've had for nearly 7 years. Im not going to look the gift horse in the mouth though.

Remember, you can get bit or have to assist with a mouth job (teeth). Free money is guud Smiley Sad

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Anonymous
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Re: Seriously Paranoid with all the recent accounts closed by chase

The one thing I will add and I don't want to turn this into a pile on but when he says the travel cards are 'related' the only similarity they have is that are indeed for travel.  For people that travel frequently all of these cards have potential value that cannot be provided by one of the other ones.  To suggest that you need only one and one 'regular' (not sure what that even means) is a bit naive in his knowledge of frequent travelers.  I'm certainly not a world globetrotter but do fly United and Southwest quite often along with staying in Marriott hotels. Right there that makes five of their cards that would interest me and provide value.  Now will I end up with all 5 along with my CSP and Freedom.  Probably not but I certainly will look to add several to accompany the Ritz I just obtained.  I don't think anyone that has quite a few of these cards should be looked upon unfavorably or be seen as the cause of Chase closing down a few accounts.

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