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@MikeyMagic wrote:Your credit scores are excellent and Amex BCE is an entry level card with them right? So I'm confused how were you denied that card last week? Makes no sense.
It said for too many recent accounts opened.
I was looking at the pre-qualification page and it's all over the place. It showed me only pre-qual'ed for the Platinum. I went ahead and applied for the BCE, since it's a SP unless they offer you a card and you accept. No luck.
I went back later that day and it showed me to be qualified for the Platinum, Gold, and Green.
A couple days later I looked and it showed only the Gold and Green. Nothing had changed on my reports during this time, lol.
@mgood wrote:
@MikeyMagic wrote:Your credit scores are excellent and Amex BCE is an entry level card with them right? So I'm confused how were you denied that card last week? Makes no sense.
It said for too many recent accounts opened.
I was looking at the pre-qualification page and it's all over the place. It showed me only pre-qual'ed for the Platinum. I went ahead and applied for the BCE, since it's a SP unless they offer you a card and you accept. No luck.
I went back later that day and it showed me to be qualified for the Platinum, Gold, and Green.
A couple days later I looked and it showed only the Gold and Green. Nothing had changed on my reports during this time, lol.
Wow that's good to know. I guess even these pre-qualifying tools have some kinks and issues to work out. I mean lol it told you that you prequalified for the Amex Platinum(1 of their best cards) but denied you for an entry level card smh. Maybe you could have called the reconsideration line right? But regardless more examples of computer algorithms taking over. And i hate that.
@MikeyMagicWith Amex it's better not to think of them as entry level or high end in terms of card approval odds. With Amex consumer cards, the charge cards (Platinum, Gold, and Green) generally have a lower bar of entry in terms of credit score and profile than their regular credit cards. This may be partially due to being charge cards that are normally not intended to carry a balance month to month (POT is a separate issue as most aren't using it at any given time). Combine that with the annual fee, point rewards that not everyone can maximize the value of, and credits that may not always be easy or intuitive to use and it helps make those products profitable. In reality the Platinum card while a "premium" card with it's $695 AF isn't always one of their best cards or even a good card (for some people it's got value for the perks, but for a lot of people it's actually a poor choice even if they don't see it that way). As for the regular revolving credit cards they all tend to have a higher entry bar than the charge cards. Also, anecdotally within the cash back credit cards it seems like BCE and Cash Magnet tend to be a bit tougher for approvals than BCP with it's $95 AF (though often there's an into offer than includes a 1st yr waiver in addition to whatever the normal SUB is).
@Zoostation1 wrote:@MikeyMagicWith Amex it's better not to think of them as entry level or high end in terms of card approval odds. With Amex consumer cards, the charge cards (Platinum, Gold, and Green) generally have a lower bar of entry in terms of credit score and profile than their regular credit cards. This may be partially due to being charge cards that are normally not intended to carry a balance month to month (POT is a separate issue as most aren't using it at any given time). Combine that with the annual fee, point rewards that not everyone can maximize the value of, and credits that may not always be easy or intuitive to use and it helps make those products profitable. In reality the Platinum card while a "premium" card with it's $695 AF isn't always one of their best cards or even a good card (for some people it's got value for the perks, but for a lot of people it's actually a poor choice even if they don't see it that way). As for the regular revolving credit cards they all tend to have a higher entry bar than the charge cards. Also, anecdotally within the cash back credit cards it seems like BCE and Cash Magnet tend to be a bit tougher for approvals than BCP with it's $95 AF (though often there's an into offer than includes a 1st yr waiver in addition to whatever the normal SUB is).
Wow you definitely taught me some important useful info here because I was under the impression that the Platinum is a very hard card to obtain and it's compared to the Venture X and CSR. I would have never known that it's harder to get approved for BCE than the Platinum. Ironically the BCE is 1 of the cards I want to get after my 1st year building my credit but now I'm worried I'll get denied. The crazy part is I don't see me getting approved for the Amex Platinum either after 1 year. I was gonna hope to get that card maybe 3 years into my journey or 2.5 years. So now I'm all confused lol.
@MikeyMagicThe Platinum card is a premium card for sure, but that alone doesn't determine approval odds or make it a good choice for many people.
Yes the Platinum is certainly a premium card.
I decided that with my spending and travel habits, I can justify ONE travel card with an annual fee. After careful consideration, I chose the Chase system over the Amex system as a better fit for me. So while the Platinum and Gold are cool, and I'm sure they are great choices for other people, I went a different direction and don't have a use for them at this time. The only Amex cards that have really interested me are the BCE and BCP. I've spent a lot of time trying to decide which one I'd like. The 3% onlline purchases tipped the scale to the BCE. It's not something I need right now. It's something I'd like to have some day. I already get 2% on everything, and some of my online purchases already get 3% or more from deals with other cards. So the BCE would give me 1% extra on a few purchases. Nice, but not life-changing.
I ended up gardening 2023.
Plans for 2024 include
> downgrade CSR to CSP (did not follow through this year)
> possibly cancel Delta Platinum AmEx and
> open Delta Gold AmEx (for bonus)
Goals also include
> close membership to Signature FCU and card
> close former Bank of America BBR card
> close Liberty formerly Evansville FCU membership
> possibly close PenFed FCU membership and card
I'm waiting a few months for the dust to settle from my 2 new citi cards, then I will attempt to merge limits from a couple of my cards in order to downsize the total count. Then in nov-dec, I will be at 0/12 again (also 4/24) and poke chase or maybe usbank.
Grow my Alaska Personal Card
Get an Alaska Biz Actually went ahead and did this--it'll help keep me from repeatedly cycling my personal card since BofA was less stingy with the biz limit
Close/downgrade Delta Reserve Biz (barring an incredible retention)
Close Citi AA Biz
Downgrade JetBlue Plus
Close Hilton cards after burning points/free nights
Consolidate several FNBO limits onto one card (if that's still possible)
Re-evaluate a few other cards with AFs
I have churned pretty heavily in the past, including this last year, but will probably not do much of that this upcoming year since I'm planning to buy a vehicle. Also it'd be nice to get back down under 5/24.
Looking back at my post in your thread for 2023 strategy my goals for the year were twofold:
1. to pay down balances
2. to refrain from adding new accounts
I failed utterly at 1. My balances have increased.
Goal number 2 was fairly easy, because I probably couldn't have added any good cards anyway. Early in the year I added 2 cards, and that was it.
My goal for 2024 continues to be to add a Chase Ink Business Cash Visa if I reach 4/24 in September or October. I'm going to stay on track for that unless I have a decent chance for a credit union, non-rewards, low interest platinum card, with no balance transfer fee, and preferably no cash advance fee.