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@notmyrealname23 wrote:To follow up: I used Mint to run my annual category spends for through my current AMEX MR cards (Green and Gold), and did some "what if"s:
- AMEX Green spend in 2019 ("normal) and 2020 (not "normal) vs. WF Propel, CSP, CSR and 2% card- AMEX Gold spend in 2019/2020 vs. 2% card vs. a combo of 3% dining/6% capped groceries
I assumed 1.8 cents per AMEX point (I'm pretty good at booking the pointy end for very long plane trips).
Conclusions:
- AMEX Green works better for my spend patterns (even in a pandemic year), though if I go more towards road trips (gas) and overall lower spend (think retirement), the WF Propel is a legitimate option- the Propel would have won this year had Green not offered a SUB + $60 off the fee for not issuing me a card number immediately.
- My Gold is a winner even against something like a Propel (3% dining) and Blue Cash Preferred (6% groceries + AF + cap) combo.
- A CSP is a stepping stone to a CSR (both lose to a Green, the CSR works better in the normal travel year, CSP works better in a light travel year).
- A CSR is probably a "one card to rule them all" strategy for travel similar to my AMEX Green. Breakeven on that card is probably 4 meals in an airport somewhere (where Chase's non-neutered Priority Pass beats AMEX's watered down one).
(sound of needle scratching record)
Welp, early adjustment.
I had to call into my bank, First Tech Federal CU today for an NSF they courtesy removed (a screwup where the wrong account was ACH debited for $10 as a trial transaction).
The rep offered me a credit card. Smart rep.
When we last left, our hero was told he couldn't get an unsecured First Tech card until 2021. Well, look, it's 2021. And I have some 1.5% or similar cards I'm pretty much never going to use except for packs of gum kinds of stuff. I can use the First Tech Choice Rewards card as a way to pad my overall balance (plus lightly fluffing some 3x AMEX revolver CLs) while I streamline card setup and garden for the rest of 2021. Oooh, look, one of the no annual fee cards has a 0% 12 months + $200 SUB offer going. It would give 2% on my cell phone bill, matching my 2% straight CB cards, so I have a way to give it regular action every month.
Sure, let's apply.
Approved, $35k.
So all right, new plan is:
- ditch the weakest links in the next soon-ish interval: Some group of Capital One QuickSilver (1.5% and dominated by everyone, bucketed, 3.5k), Synch Cathay Pacific (Sync, $95 AF and the miles are weak, very nearly dominated by everyone, though I was promised an AF waiver, if it posts and they won't wipe it I am SO gone), Petal2 (1.5% CB and dominated by everyone, no clear way to jack the CL). Maybe all 3. Will keep the C1 VentureOne for now because it's a high enough CL that it's not dominated (a free card that can be used for mileage isn't totally useless, I have mileage accounts I can keep alive like this, though they overlap with AMEX). Overall CLs will still spike up 20+k.
- SUB for First Tech keeps idle hands busy for a few weeks.
- rotate my rent payments to my landlord on various cards through PayPal Key for a $9.99 debit card fee. Pocket the cashback or hotel points. Hopefully these multi-thousand dollar payments will get some love going on my credit limits.
@notmyrealname23 wrote:
Welp, early adjustment.
First Tech Federal CU ... The rep offered me a credit card ... First Tech Choice Rewards card
Approved, $35k.
Whoa, that's a HUGE understatement, @notmyrealname23! Your previous highest limit was $11.5K and First Tech gave you a $35K SL? That's fantastic! Congratulations!
Y'know, it's smart to make plans for the our next credit moves. But it's impossible to see opportunities such as this one coming along. So good for you for being receptive and flexible enough to take advantage of a great card that just dropped into your lap! Sometimes, that's absolutely the appropriate thing to do. It's only a problem when someone makes no plans at all and just carelessly applies (or doesn't apply) for credit, leading to an uninspired patchwork quilt of card options that don't fit together well or serve a unified purpose.
I like your plans of culling the unuseful low-hanging fruit also. That's exactly what I recommend to members to grow their profile over time. Add some good cards but take some away as they become obsolete or less valuable so that you can tend to your new prizes and help them to prosper and grow.
I didn't see anything in the approvals column yet so please share your success there (with data points) when you have the chance!
Thanks @Aim_High, I added DPs in some places for this. I knew my CU does do some monster approvals (the premium card they have can offer up to a 100k SL). The cards in general aren't as good as NFCU, PenFed, SDFCU, NavyFed in terms of "is this a daily driver", I would fully admit- 1% with some 2% categories is "eh" and honestly not really an improvement on Capital One cards I'll ditch, but the SL, interest rate and lack of cash advance/balance transfer fees are definitely improvements on Capital One (my interest rates there are somewhere around 25%, because a C1 Platinum is a quintessential starter card).
General goals have been:
- start with starter cards (OpenSky to secured Discover/FirstTech) for repair
- move on to some better stuff (C1 Platinum, Petal) plus store cards (Amazon, Target)
- start picking up useful "keeper" cards (Fidelity Rewards Visa + SoFi MC World Elite + PP MC) and churnable things (Capital One Venture, Synchony Cathay Pacific Visa)
- AMEX dangles the keys to the church (Green, Hilton, Gold, Aspire, Brilliant)
- Get some high SL card action going and trim off
At this point I think the next step is to see what Chase can offer and cool off card chasing for a while to get under 5/24, since if I really must scratch an itch with AMEX I'll have 3 cards they can dangle an upgrade offer on this year (Green, Gold, Hilton no-AF). I could legitimately swap out AMEX Green with Chase Sapphire Reserve and get benefit out of it once I'm doing more travel, and the BA, Southwest and Hyatt cards could realistically be of use to me (the latter two the most as long term keepers).
Post-post script: called to cancel the Cathay Pacific card. Offered a retention offer on top of the annual fee waiver: 15,000 miles on $6,000 spend ($2,000 a month over three months).
This makes the card a 3.5x (general spend)/4x (dining and non-USD spend) card on those $6,000. This is solid. I value Cathay Asia Miles at 1.2 cents per mile, so a 4.2% effective cashback? All right then.
Flexibility is key... I did nuke the bucketed Capital One Quicksilver (neè Platinum) though.
After PC'ing to the BofA CR, I revised my plan:
I just hit my gold spade. Now I am pondering how long to wait before applying for a CLI with Coastal (which is a HP) and/or one of the Elan 5% category cards. It's a test of impatience vs logic. The longer I wait, probably the better, especially with Elan as I'm still 5/12.
@KJinNC wrote:I just hit my gold spade. Now I am pondering how long to wait before applying for a CLI with Coastal (which is a HP) and/or one of the Elan 5% category cards. It's a test of impatience vs logic. The longer I wait, probably the better, especially with Elan as I'm still 5/12.
Consider delaying the Coastal and Elan CLI requests until you hit 1/12.
@Aim_Highwrote:
“For the community, how do you set limits for yourself on new cards or inquiries and do you have a process before applying for new credit? How long do you plan or do you impulsively app? Is impulsive or excessive app'ing a problem or a concern? We're in the last three weeks of 2020. As it draws to a close, what are your credit goals for 2021?”
I had 18 CC’s and after getting COVID as a Christmas Present literally on Christmas Day I found myself dreaming of the three (3) cards I had on my wish list. In my “Rona” induced delirium and boredom, I pulled an “app’ing” session and found myself with the trifecta in my wallet going into 2021. Without going into too much detail, during the time I was quarantined I lost my sense of smell, taste and apparently my sense of reason. What I didn’t lose was my ability to fill out my name, address, phone and other pertinent info and click the “SUBMIT” button.
As @Remedios stated: “None of this means I won't apply for cards, but it does mean being quite a bit more selective, delineating better between *want, need, and bored*.”
Fantastic post, and the replies are nothing short of informative and beneficial for setting goals. Thank you all!!!
UPDATE: I just pulled two (2) sleepers out of the SD and reallocated my AmEx BCP to HH Surpass and then reallocated my WF Platinum to WF Propel. While I was dinking around, I thought…“Hey, I should get a couple CLI’s”. So, I took some advice and hit the love button on Discover for $2k and PP Extras for $1.5k.
I am now officially gardening for the next 365 days thanks to the Forum Community. Time to dial it down a few notches and get out of my own way. I appreciate the fact that I get answers before I ask the question, and the valuable insight that is garnered from folks who have already walked the path I’m on and consequently lit the torch.
Late to the topic, but, my strategy is the same as it was in 2020, which is to hold tight until there's a good enough reason not to.
2020 brought me three new accounts - all were from unexpected large spend (one from a knee surgery, other from major dental, the other from a new computer), and with two I figured why not get an SUB for them? The other was my Dell account because I needed (and it was a need, not a want) a new laptop and the promo gave me decent cashback that ultimately got used by my partner for a sizeable discount on a peripheral).
Current line up works well for my financial needs:
BCP for groceries (largest cat spend), streaming, and gas (when it's not a 5%)
Freedom & Disco for the 5% cats (usually getting maxxed out during amazon and paypal quarters, mains for gas when it's a cat, and also used during grocery quarters to keep me from maxxing my BCP)
Comenity AKC - CB on vet & pet stuff (which is my second largest cat spend)
cashrewards - grabbed for the SUB, keeping it for 3% non-cat internet/online spend
CSP - travel (I very rarely dine out unless traveling) - not getting PCed to the vanilla Sapphire quite yet, since the Peloton promo makes it not worth messing with quite yet
Cash+ - newly PCed from my plat - I did the math and the CB I will get by PCing now (gym membership & cell phone) is greater than what I would get with the current SUB if I waited til I was 1/12
SDFCU - daily driver, 2% CB non-cat/catch all spend
Other cards include my FCU's cashback (regular 1.5%, got it for the SUB, but it also gives me 0% APR through December - it's where my dental debt lives), Citi DP (from secured card, sometimes throws good offers, otherwise lives in the sockbox), and Synchrony Sewing (slowly working down the 0% from buying my Janome at Quiltcon 2019).
2021 is much like 2020 in that it's still Finances > FICO, so I am not planning to do anything unless there some new card that gives better than 3% CB with an SUB. I have a 0 based budget, so I will go for 0% cards with SUBs when unexpected spend happens to keep my couple of dollars in interest, but for 2021, I just anticipate paying off the two 0% accounts in the next couple of months (DFS & FCU) and just riding out 2021. 2020 was focused on CLIs to get my average up for better CBIS scoring, and I achieved the numbers I was after.
The only things I can see apping for is the Freedom Flex if I get a checkmark from Chase or maybe the Kohl's card, because I'm working on some body recomping & muscle recovery after surgeries and my work clothes are not fitting right (COVID so few in person meetings, so I don't have to look too professional until we get more in person). I'll probably still play with SP CLI's to keep the average up, but, yeah, nothing planned or super wanted on the horizon. Hopefully crazy unexpected spend is calmer in 2021 (furlough, two surgeries, major dentals, and a new set of tires from last year was very yikes) and I will hopefully! just pay down my car loan faster since SLs are still paused until at least September.
@Anonymous wrote:2021
want: chase amazon prime & us bank cash +
thats all...
[update 12/19/20 got us bank cash +]...just need
chase amazon primeBank of America Cash Rewards.
Garden, garden, garden for the year. Bank of America 2022.