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I don't mean to come off abrasive at all with this post as I'd genuinely like to understand this. I'm not talking about people carrying a CC balance because they got in on a sweet 0% offer or because they had a huge expense pop up that they had to throw on a card or any similar reason. That's one of the beauties of CCs and one of the reasons why we have them.
I'm asking this question more toward those that just carry balances for the sake of carrying balances. Basically those that pay unnecessary interest. You see, I used to be one of these people. 10 years ago even up to 5 years ago I always had a few thousand dollars in CC debt just riding along from month to month. So what's the reason why I did it? Simply put, because I didn't know any better. I didn't really understand interest much other that it costs you a bit and I guess I was willing to pay that bit in order to not have to pay off the debt. I had plenty of money in savings and the income to pay it off just fine; I guess I was just misinformed. I'm wondering how many others out there now are like I was then? Perhaps this thread will be eye opening to those few that could fall into this category.
I have not carried a balance in a long time. I owe a lot to this forum and all of you kind people that have "shown me the light" when it comes to this subject. Like many on this forum, I don't pay any interest. I don't even know what the APRs are on my cards; the banks could raise them all to 99.99% tomorrow and not only wouldn't it impact me, but I wouldn't care. Show me a 99.99% interest rate card that gives 3% rewards on all purchases and I'm all in ![]()
For those that do carry balances, especially significant balances, I'm interested to hear the reasons why.
I think smart words that are often stated in threads on this forum is that living by the rule of "if I can't pay for it today, don't buy it [on a CC]." Maybe it will take someone 6 months to save up $1000 for a new TV, but the alternative in getting the TV right away is that you end up paying say $1300 for a $1000 TV when you pay it back in 8 or 9 months. By carring balances, you essentially raise the cost of everything you buy, indirectly. People on these forums may chase rewards on their cards and all of the CB rewards received in a year may not even total the $300 extra due to the interest from this single purchase. Just an example. I think in the past I didn't see the big picture. Maybe some others don't either. Maybe they do, but it doesn't really matter to them. I find this type of info fascinating and enjoy hearing the different perspectives.
Interesting thread,
I have some thoughts on it. First, I'll start by saying that like you, I don't carry a balance except on 0% offers and haven't in quite some time. I'll also say that I absolutely agree with your points about it not making financial sense in most cases. However, I can see a few reasons someone might do it.
@Anonymous wrote:I'm asking this question more toward those that just carry balances for the sake of carrying balances. Basically those that pay unnecessary interest. You see, I used to be one of these people. 10 years ago even up to 5 years ago I always had a few thousand dollars in CC debt just riding along from month to month. So what's the reason why I did it? Simply put, because I didn't know any better. I didn't really understand interest much other that it costs you a bit and I guess I was willing to pay that bit in order to not have to pay off the debt. I had plenty of money in savings and the income to pay it off just fine; I guess I was just misinformed. I'm wondering how many others out there now are like I was then? Perhaps this thread will be eye opening to those few that could fall into this category.
People, myself included, make lots of decisions that aren't perfectly rational and in their best interest, sometimes due to lack of information/misinformation, other times simply because they fall victim to temptation, or don't have the time and energy left over to optimize their decisions. I liken this example as extremely similar to someone who is of working age, has money left over every month/some in a savings account, but isn't investing anything in retirement. A lot of people fall into that category.
People like simplicity and the illusion of security. Having $1,000 extra dollars (I'm not talking about real emergency savings people should keep on hand) lying around can seem a lot more appealing than taking the time to carefully crunch the numbers and figure out exactly how much of that they can pay toward their debt and how much and where they can invest it. I'm not saying people are lazy in this situation, just that they likely have a lot of competing demands and enjoy the sense security they feel by having the extra cash on hand, even if it isn't actually in their best interest.
@Anonymous wrote:I think smart words that are often stated in threads on this forum is that living by the rule of "if I can't pay for it today, don't buy it [on a CC]." Maybe it will take someone 6 months to save up $1000 for a new TV, but the alternative in getting the TV right away is that you end up paying say $1300 for a $1000 TV when you pay it back in 8 or 9 months. By carring balances, you essentially raise the cost of everything you buy, indirectly. People on these forums may chase rewards on their cards and all of the CB rewards received in a year may not even total the $300 extra due to the interest from this single purchase. Just an example. I think in the past I didn't see the big picture. Maybe some others don't either. Maybe they do, but it doesn't really matter to them. I find this type of info fascinating and enjoy hearing the different perspectives.
This is of course a different scenario since in this example the person doesn't already have the cash. Again, I certainly agree with the premise that it's better to save up for something and buy it outright than to wind up paying much more due to interest. However, it's pretty clear that what's going on in this scenario is simply someone wanting their new TV (or whatever) now rather than later, and they're either okay with the extra cost or aren't thinking about it. People can definitely get into trouble this way, but I think this can make sense in some cases too.
For example, I'm going to a destination wedding next month, and I do have the money to pay for it, but let's pretend I didn't. I could put it on a credit card and end up paying more in the long run, but I would get to go. By contrast if I don't have the money and don't charge/barrow it, I'll just have to miss out, but this is a once-in-a-lifetime event (I mean even if my friends ultimately divorce - which I don't think they will - and remarry, it probably won't be to each other, so this is really my only opportunity to go to this wedding). If I knew I would be able to make the credit card payments and eventually pay it off, even if I ultimately pay more, I can definitely see deciding to do anyway.
Even just more mundane purchases can potentially make sense though, at least on an emotional level (which of course isn't always compatible with good finance, but certainly explains the decisions people make). Again, maybe I know I can afford to make payments on my $1,000 TV purchase (and ultimately pay the $1,300), and maybe I just don't want to wait 6 months to save up and get it. Maybe I want to have a superbowl party or something. Maybe I have old friends coming in from out of town and I want to impress them. I'm not saying these are the responsible, correct decisions, but if I can truly afford the payments and haven't already saved the money, I can see doing it.
I don't like to carry balances but life happens which causes some to carry balances on credit cards. I know we always discuss paying in full and etc but that does not happen all the time. I am carrying a balance right now on a credit card and paying over the min due each month. Reason: I had college tuition that was not covered a semester and caused my account to go into collections, I had to pay it before it hit my credit. Another reason why I carry a balance is my computer went out and I am paying it back over time.
There are reason why we carry balances. That is what credit cards are for, correct. My daily driver cards of course those get paid off each month.
In mho in my own experience, I find that carrying modest balances at exceptionally-low, single-digit APRs is acceptable, because the amount of interest that I will be paying is negligible and/or insignificant. One thing that people may sometimes forget about the "If you can't afford it, don't buy it now" paradigm is, sometimes, there are occasions where if you don't buy something sooner than later, it might not be available to purchase later on -- one example is hard-to-find, new-old-stock items on ebay that are no longer mass-produced, or are officially discontinued by the manufacturer. If I had not done bought them at the time I did so, I would have missed out on being able to acquire some prized and cherished collectibles that I currently have. ETA: another example is time-limited sales or promotions that are significantly discounted, where paying for them later may raise the costs much higher.
If I pay say around $100 or less in interest charges for a calendar year, that is no issue for me personally; pennies on the dollar really. Again, the idea is accessibility, availability, and timeliness, over delaying a purchase that may not be available later on, imo.
Former cards:DMB Titanium MC @ 90-day, 0% grace period | $4k BEFCU MC @ 5.49% F | $21.9k Citi DPR @ 5.99% F | Chase Platinum MC @ Prime+1.67% |
Because someone needs too or wants to overspend for a lifestyle they can't afford to have.
That was easy........
@redpat wrote:Because someone needs too or wants to overspend for a lifestyle that can't afford to have.
That was easy........
To be fair though, it's not always about overspending or living above one's means. I have the means to pay off virtually all of my carried balances using my accumulated savings, I just prefer to use the benefit credit cards offer of being allowed to revolve a balance at super-low interest rates and pay it off over time or in phases, should I choose to do so.
Former cards:DMB Titanium MC @ 90-day, 0% grace period | $4k BEFCU MC @ 5.49% F | $21.9k Citi DPR @ 5.99% F | Chase Platinum MC @ Prime+1.67% |
Some people do it out of necessity or just bad planning. That's understandable.
The odder cases are when people carry balances at high APRs and yet also get luxury travel cards.