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techiegirl
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Trying to understand points and miles

I have several travel rewards cards and have been trying to transfer the points to miles for a trip next year.  Between DH and I, we transferred 115k points from CSP to British Airways Avios.  For our family, our trip will require 135k Avios.  I was able to transfer another 10k points from my Amex to Avios.  We still need another 10k avios, but found that neither BofA Travel Rewards, nor Capital One Venture will allow me to transfer to British Airways.  Using the Avios to book our tickets will save us over $5k, which is a lot better than the cashback/statement credit method.  

 

It seems to me that the points are worth much more when using it to transfer to miles.  Is there another card that allows me to do this?  I have favored the Cap 1 and Barclay travel cards because of the 2% back, but now I'm wondering if CSP is a better deal. 

 

 

 

FICO: EQ - 809 TU- 808 EX - 797
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Ghoshida
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Re: Trying to understand points and miles


@techiegirl wrote:

I have several travel rewards cards and have been trying to transfer the points to miles for a trip next year.  Between DH and I, we transferred 115k points from CSP to British Airways Avios.  For our family, our trip will require 135k Avios.  I was able to transfer another 10k points from my Amex to Avios.  We still need another 10k avios, but found that neither BofA Travel Rewards, nor Capital One Venture will allow me to transfer to British Airways.  Using the Avios to book our tickets will save us over $5k, which is a lot better than the cashback/statement credit method.  

 

It seems to me that the points are worth much more when using it to transfer to miles.  Is there another card that allows me to do this?  I have favored the Cap 1 and Barclay travel cards because of the 2% back, but now I'm wondering if CSP is a better deal. 

 

 

 


Venture / BofA TR are essentially travel-cashback cards. They don't let you transfer miles. I'm not sure about transferring to Avios but Citi Premier / Prestige (TYP), Diners Club Elite, and Starwood Preferred Guest are cards that allow points transfer to airlines. 

 

If you're running short, you could look at purchasing miles from Avios / BA Exec Club. The cost of the miles may be a bit high but will be a small cost to pay when you look at the savings overall. 

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Anonymous
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Re: Trying to understand points and miles

or get another card with a sign up bonus to get your 10k quick.
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Anonymous
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Re: Trying to understand points and miles

Points, miles, and cash back can all be confusing to people new to the game. While I am not going to try and explain everything here, I will give a quick breakdown of the three generic types of rewards cards. 

 

1. Cash back cards: These are simple and easy to use. You spend X dollars and get 1-5% of X back usually. The cash back usually has low thresholds and you don't need to spend thousands of dollars to see a benefit. 

 

2. Fixed Value Points/Miles Cards: These are basically lesser versions of cash back cards. They give you 1-2 points per dollar spent but each point has fixed value, which is often 1 cent. The Southwest fixed value cards are one of the few exceptions. With the Arrival and Venture series, for example, 1 point is 1 dollar making them 1-2% cards (depending on the card/AF...though Arrival Plus is a bit over 2%) with more limited redemption options than cash back cards. These cards rarely make sense other than for a sign-up bonus or the like because 2% cash back cards have no AF fees and more flexible redemption options. 

 

3. Flexible Value Points/Miles Cards (Amex MR/Chase UR/SPG/etc): These points sometimes also have a base fixed value, but they often give best rates when transferred to airline partners. For domestic economy travel they rarely make sense (BA points are one of the only exceptions due to distance based costs). They get prime value for international first class or business class travel. Your redemption value on economy is usually in the 1-1.5 cents per point range, but for first class international, you can often get 3-5+ cents per point in value. These can make a lot of sense if you travel. The downside is the number of points you need for good valuations. I rarely spend these points when I have less than 50-80k points PER traveler. Earning the points can take a while even when you spend 60k+ a year on cards like I do unless you hit a lot of sign-up bonuses. These cards can be great, but they all have AFs and for most normal spenders it will take years to earn any free trips. 

 

 

I use cashback cards for 5% category spending and put most of the rest of my spend on my CSP. If you have high spend and like to travel, flexible value points/miles are probably best. If you have low spend or don't like to travel, cash back is best. If you don't have the time to find good value from your points or have very fixed travel plans, cash back cards are best. Fixed value point cards can sometimes be useful (e.g. SW cards), but I tend to avoid them. The Arrival Plus can beat out the Double Cash or Fidelity Amex due to its >2% yield rate, but it has an AF and unless you put high spend on it, you won't see a benefit. 

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jsucool76
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Re: Trying to understand points and miles

When you go to book your tickets, it will give you the option of points and cash. Depending on the options it gives you, you may be able to use the avios you have, and then put the balance on your venture/boa cards, and then redeem your venture/boa points against that cost. 

 

Alternatively, you can buy the 10k avios you need, for $300. 

 

You may even be able to redeem venture miles / boa points against that avios purchase, ask your bank first though as I'm not sure. 

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techiegirl
Regular Contributor

Re: Trying to understand points and miles


@jsucool76 wrote:

When you go to book your tickets, it will give you the option of points and cash. Depending on the options it gives you, you may be able to use the avios you have, and then put the balance on your venture/boa cards, and then redeem your venture/boa points against that cost. 

 

 


 

That's what I'll probably end up doing.  I have enough in my venture/b of a cards to cover the balance.  

 

 

It seems like CSP is a better deal, even though it only offers 1% on regular purchases, since I can transfer mileage and get a better value.  

FICO: EQ - 809 TU- 808 EX - 797
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jsucool76
Super Contributor

Re: Trying to understand points and miles


@techiegirl wrote:

@jsucool76 wrote:

When you go to book your tickets, it will give you the option of points and cash. Depending on the options it gives you, you may be able to use the avios you have, and then put the balance on your venture/boa cards, and then redeem your venture/boa points against that cost. 

 

 


 

That's what I'll probably end up doing.  I have enough in my venture/b of a cards to cover the balance.  

 

 

It seems like CSP is a better deal, even though it only offers 1% on regular purchases, since I can transfer mileage and get a better value.  


It's about ease of use vs value. 

 

Venture is GREAT for the signup bonus, same with the  Arrival+ card. BoA travel is meh unless you have a banking relationship with them with a LOT of $$$$ in there. These cards also require no research, no searching for availability, nothing. Just buy the ticket, and use however many points against the purchase as you want. 

 

Using FF miles requires looking for routing/availability, partner awards, and all that jazz. But, for more expensive tickets, FF miles will usually win. A business class ticket to europe can run you $3k+, or be 100k AA miles (just for this example, it varies obviously), whereas a $3,000 ticket with venture miles would require 300000 venture miles. Obviously it's easier to get 100k aa miles with an AA credit card than to get 300,000 venture miles with the venture card. 

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takeshi74
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Re: Trying to understand points and miles


@techiegirl wrote:

We still need another 10k avios, but found that neither BofA Travel Rewards, nor Capital One Venture will allow me to transfer to British Airways.


Always make sure you research and look into redemptions before applying.  Do not assume that miles are miles and points are points.  There are several miles/points cards that are really just restricted cash back cards.

 


@techiegirl wrote:

It seems to me that the points are worth much more when using it to transfer to miles.  Is there another card that allows me to do this?  I have favored the Cap 1 and Barclay travel cards because of the 2% back, but now I'm wondering if CSP is a better deal. 


...and always run the numbers for your spend when researching rewards programs.  It is trickier for programs like UR and MR since the point value is fixed but you can look at a redemption that you would be likely to use as an example.  It is possible to get more than 2% with UR (and other such programs) but it's also possible to get less and redemptions play a major role in determining the value of a point.

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Anonymous
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Re: Trying to understand points and miles

Apply for the Chase Freedom and use its signup bonus (was ~22500UR with $200 signup bonus, now ~12500 UR with $100bonus/AU bonus).

More than enough to make up the points you need. 

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