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Trying to understand this whole Travel reward point thing. Help!!!

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Trying to understand this whole Travel reward point thing. Help!!!

Title says it all.    I think I've got the whole cashback card game figured out.   I have gas, restaurant, category, and general spend cards. 

 

DW and I have hit the age where we can travel some and would like to acquire a couple good travel cards.   But the travel point redemption game is a lot different than the cash back game.  

 

Just need some help understanding how the whole travel points game works.   I know that not all points are created equal.   If anyone can point me in the right direction on here or is willing to take the time to explain a few things to me I would be most thankful.

 

We more than likely will travel 2 to 3 times a year.   Already have been going to Vegas about once a year.  But want to start taking some other vacations.  Probably all travel will be within the U.S. for now.  

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nachoslibres
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Re: Trying to understand this whole Travel reward point thing. Help!!!

First you, typically have to pick which brand/point system you want to go with - i.e. Amex Member Rewards (MR), Chase Ultimate Rewards (UR), Citi ThankYou Points.  If you spend ALOT and travel a lot you may want to have two or more brands/point systems - but I personally went with Chase UR because the AF's are usually lower and there are more transfer partners.  For example, Chase has transfer partners like Southwest, United, Hyatt, Marriott while Amex has transfer partners like Delta, Hilton, and SPG (although technically both companies have SPG and Marriott as transfer partners since you can transfer between these programs).

 

Once you decide this, then you need to decide what cards you need/want.  With Chase to transfer to transfer partners (and this is where you maximize the value of your points) you have to have a card that has an annual fee, such as the Chase Sapphire Preferred (CSP), Chase Sapphire Reserve (CSR), Ink Plus, or Ink Preferred.  You can pair other cards with these to maximize rewards, such as the Freedom, Freedom Unlimited, Ink Cash, but you have to have at least one of the first 4 cards listed above to transfer, else all your points can be redeemed for are cash, statement credits, or gift cards.

 

In order to maximize these points, you use transfer partners.  For example, say your have 8,000 UR points.  You could cash these out for $80 (since 1 UR is worth $0.01 when cashing out) or you could transfer these to Hyatt and stay at a Grand Hyatt that goes for $259, and since when you use points for a stay you don't get charged taxes or fees, the value is really more like $280 (you would have paid this if you paid cash).  So, if you take the $280 and divide it by the 8,000 UR points you used to get that value, you find that you received $0.035 / UR, or 3.5x the amount you would have had if you cashed it out.  That sounds great, right?  Well, it gets even better.  By maximizing bonus spend - such as 5 UR/$ on the Chase Freedom quarterly categories, or the 5 UR/$ for cell phone expenses on the Ink Cash, you effectively are getting 17.5% back on your purchases in those categories back as value as a Hyatt stay.  Now, that doesn't mean every UR you transfer out will get $0.035/UR - some will get more and some less.  I typically get $0.018/UR on Southwest redemptions, but if you fly international on United you could get over $0.05/UR doing business class.

 

Now, there are even more options and things to consider when doing point transfers - such as using points to purchase travel through the respective Chase and Amex portals to get better redemption values or to access travel that you might not be able to get using transfer partners.  For example, I used my points to purchase airfare for Amercian - which isn't a travel partner - on the Chase portal because none of the other transfer partners offered flights for where I needed to go or if they did the point values didn't work in my favor.  So I used my points at a lower value than I would normally get - $0.015/UR because the CSR allows you to get $0.015/UR when you purchase travel through the Chase portal - but I made up for it by scoring a room at a Grand Hyatt for 8,000 points that was going for over $350 a night (so $0.0475/UR there).

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Anonymous
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Re: Trying to understand this whole Travel reward point thing. Help!!!

A huge overgemeralization with some truth:   if your travel is US domestic in coach, the transferable point systems might not be better value than good cashback.   

 

This can fail to be true if you stay a lot at partner hotels or use certain airlines like southwest.

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iced
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Re: Trying to understand this whole Travel reward point thing. Help!!!


@Anonymous wrote:

Title says it all.    I think I've got the whole cashback card game figured out.   I have gas, restaurant, category, and general spend cards. 

 

DW and I have hit the age where we can travel some and would like to acquire a couple good travel cards.   But the travel point redemption game is a lot different than the cash back game.  

 

Just need some help understanding how the whole travel points game works.   I know that not all points are created equal.   If anyone can point me in the right direction on here or is willing to take the time to explain a few things to me I would be most thankful.

 

We more than likely will travel 2 to 3 times a year.   Already have been going to Vegas about once a year.  But want to start taking some other vacations.  Probably all travel will be within the U.S. for now.  


The best redemption rates on points/miles tend to be for long-haul international premium cabins and international hotels, two things you aren't doing. Therefore, while you still will get redemption value over time, temper your expectations from what you read about in travel blogs. It's not a terribly tricky thing to figure out - see how much a room or air ticket costs in dollars, then check the cost of the same room/ticket in points. If it's a lower point redemption compared to its cost, it may be a good target for using points on.

 

For example, Marriott works in levels for points redemption, and each hotel is assigned a level. All hotels at that particular level cost the same amount of points for a free night. If you see 2 hotels in the same level and one wants $200/night to stay and the other $500/night, redeeming points for the $500/night room is a better use of those points than for the $200/night room.

 

Given your travel (in)frequency, what may make more sense for now is a travel card that loads more perks or guaranteed bonuses rather than better point earning potential. At your travel levels (and therefore the amount of travel/dining spend you would put on a travel card a year), getting free nighits or status for $X spend may translate into something tangible more often than accumuling points over a period of years to redeem for one trip. This excepts sign-up bonuses, which can often be enough to do something useful with them immediately, but they're also one-time things.

 

My two cents, for what it's worth.

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Anonymous
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Re: Trying to understand this whole Travel reward point thing. Help!!!

The various bloggers all have some point value guides:

 

http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2016/05/02/value-of-points/

 

http://thepointsguy.com/2016/10/october-2016-monthly-valuations/

 

Note that these are subjective valuations based on how they would redeem the points, so it may differ for you (e.g. points are usually worth more when redeemed for long haul first or business class fares).

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Anonymous
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Re: Trying to understand this whole Travel reward point thing. Help!!!

Wow, great explanation.  I really appreciate the detailed response.  

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Anonymous
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Re: Trying to understand this whole Travel reward point thing. Help!!!

The company I work for does have a convention every year and we stay in the some ritzy places, so I could make use of the points then to get the most value I guess, thanks for your input.  


@iced wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

Title says it all.    I think I've got the whole cashback card game figured out.   I have gas, restaurant, category, and general spend cards. 

 

DW and I have hit the age where we can travel some and would like to acquire a couple good travel cards.   But the travel point redemption game is a lot different than the cash back game.  

 

Just need some help understanding how the whole travel points game works.   I know that not all points are created equal.   If anyone can point me in the right direction on here or is willing to take the time to explain a few things to me I would be most thankful.

 

We more than likely will travel 2 to 3 times a year.   Already have been going to Vegas about once a year.  But want to start taking some other vacations.  Probably all travel will be within the U.S. for now.  


The best redemption rates on points/miles tend to be for long-haul international premium cabins and international hotels, two things you aren't doing. Therefore, while you still will get redemption value over time, temper your expectations from what you read about in travel blogs. It's not a terribly tricky thing to figure out - see how much a room or air ticket costs in dollars, then check the cost of the same room/ticket in points. If it's a lower point redemption compared to its cost, it may be a good target for using points on.

 

For example, Marriott works in levels for points redemption, and each hotel is assigned a level. All hotels at that particular level cost the same amount of points for a free night. If you see 2 hotels in the same level and one wants $200/night to stay and the other $500/night, redeeming points for the $500/night room is a better use of those points than for the $200/night room.

 

Given your travel (in)frequency, what may make more sense for now is a travel card that loads more perks or guaranteed bonuses rather than better point earning potential. At your travel levels (and therefore the amount of travel/dining spend you would put on a travel card a year), getting free nighits or status for $X spend may translate into something tangible more often than accumuling points over a period of years to redeem for one trip. This excepts sign-up bonuses, which can often be enough to do something useful with them immediately, but they're also one-time things.

 

My two cents, for what it's worth.




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Anonymous
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Re: Trying to understand this whole Travel reward point thing. Help!!!


@Anonymous wrote:

The various bloggers all have some point value guides:

 

http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2016/05/02/value-of-points/

 

http://thepointsguy.com/2016/10/october-2016-monthly-valuations/

 

Note that these are subjective valuations based on how they would redeem the points, so it may differ for you (e.g. points are usually worth more when redeemed for long haul first or business class fares).


Both very helpful for showing how the point values work.

 

thanks a bunch

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Anonymous
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Re: Trying to understand this whole Travel reward point thing. Help!!!

Check out thepointsguy.com. My cousin, thepointsjock, is a contributer. He figured out how to get over a million dollar with just $3k or $4k. It means you have to have excellent credit as you're going to be getting a lot of credit cards and doing a lot of balance transfers, purchases,e tc.. You need to be very very organized.

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CreditDunce
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Re: Trying to understand this whole Travel reward point thing. Help!!!


@Anonymous wrote:

The company I work for does have a convention every year and we stay in the some ritzy places, so I could make use of the points then to get the most value I guess, thanks for your input. 


Can someone else comment on this statement?  I would think the OP wouldn't be able to use point transfers and get reimbursed. 
If I was traveling a lot for business, I would probably look into a hotel card (assuming I stayed at the same types of hotels). Then use the points for personal trips.  I would also look at the CSR or BoA TR (with PR bonus) for double dipping reimbursable travel expenses.
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