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When counting Hard Pull Inquires???

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BluePoodle
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When counting Hard Pull Inquires???

When you count Hard Pull Inquires on your CR, do you count 12 months (considered in FICO Scoring) or 24 that show on your CR?

 

Does it vary depending on if you are applying for Mortgage vs Auto Loan vs CC or other unsecured lines of credit?

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Kenny
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Re: When counting Hard Pull Inquires???

Need more info -- what exactly is the question.

I count all of them for the 2 years. Of course, if I know what bureau a CC is going to pull then I then look at the last 6 months to a year.

I imagine it would vary if you were applying for a mortgage.

For an auto loan those are usually an auto enhanced score so it wouldn't matter too much there.
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BluePoodle
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Re: When counting Hard Pull Inquires???


@KennyRS wrote:
Need more info -- what exactly is the question.

I count all of them for the 2 years. Of course, if I know what bureau a CC is going to pull then I then look at the last 6 months to a year.

I imagine it would vary if you were applying for a mortgage.

For an auto loan those are usually an auto enhanced score so it wouldn't matter too much there.

I was just wondering. I have been looking at the last 12 months. When everyone posts "I have X number of HP inquires on this CR"  I began to wonder if that was referring to 12 months out or 24?  Especially when someone is denied for "too many inquires" is that in reference to 12 month or 24 time frame?  I just want to make sure NOT to have too many and that is the reason for my Q. Thanks!

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Kenny
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Re: When counting Hard Pull Inquires???

Gotcha! I think CC companies use that as a reason if the profile is borderline or they genuinely see too many new accounts. I would tend to lean on the last 12 months but mostly last 6 if the previous 6 didn't have many. If that makes any sense! lol

Best of luck!! Smiley Happy
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mongstradamus
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Re: When counting Hard Pull Inquires???

Thats an really good question. I am wondering how many hp is too many when they look at cc apps. I am at around 8 months since I last apped. Wondering if i should wait some more. 



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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: When counting Hard Pull Inquires???

Fewer is always better, but having a bunch won't necessarily kick you out either: depends on underwriting standards, and I agree, if you have a fantastic file anyway compared to their underwriting standards it isn't going to matter, more likely in the borderline case.

 

I don't think there's any full consistency in the forum posters stating, but I believe it's mostly any inquiry in the last two years as I often see (and use myself) qualification as to how many are in a scoreable range (w/in last year).  

 

I think if it's on the report, and if lenders can see it as they do for 2 years, then it's total inquiries on the report which does count from an underwriting perspective, and therefore should likely be the standard on this forum.  My opinion anyway.

 




        
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BluePoodle
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Re: When counting Hard Pull Inquires???


@KennyRS wrote:
Gotcha! I think CC companies use that as a reason if the profile is borderline or they genuinely see too many new accounts. I would tend to lean on the last 12 months but mostly last 6 if the previous 6 didn't have many. If that makes any sense! lol

Best of luck!! Smiley Happy

I just pulled copies from MyAnnualReport.com.  I have 1 with TU, 3 with Ex and both are older than 12 months but younger than 24 months.  I have to send it a written request for a copy of my EQ report. For some reason it would not allow me to do it online.  I know there is at least 1 there from Discover this Jan but not sure what else.  But it just got me to wondering, how I should be counting HPs?  I feel ok with were my numbers are but I do want to make sure to watch it for my upcoming credit apps and make sure I know where things are at with HPs.  No one had ever really mentioned if they were counting 12 or 24 months out when they referred to how many than had.

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BluePoodle
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Re: When counting Hard Pull Inquires???


@Revelate wrote:

Fewer is always better, but having a bunch won't necessarily kick you out either: depends on underwriting standards, and I agree, if you have a fantastic file anyway compared to their underwriting standards it isn't going to matter, more likely in the borderline case. 

 

I don't think there's any full consistency in the forum posters stating, but I believe it's mostly any inquiry in the last two years as I often see (and use myself) qualification as to how many are in a scoreable range (w/in last year).  

 

I think if it's on the report, and if lenders can see it as they do for 2 years, then it's total inquiries on the report which does count from an underwriting perspective, and therefore should likely be the standard on this forum.  My opinion anyway.

 


Agreed, but I think 12 months has been what many have been going by?  Maybe I am wrong.  I was only looking at what impacted FICO scores but now I am trying to look at it from an underwriters prospective.  

 

That brings up another silly question....what about status detail comment?  When a customer disputes an account but it remains on the CR the disputed is noted.  What are opinions about that? Should/Would it be beneficial to request those comments to be removed? What value or harm do they offer???

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Revelate
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Re: When counting Hard Pull Inquires???


@BluePoodle wrote:

@Revelate wrote:

Fewer is always better, but having a bunch won't necessarily kick you out either: depends on underwriting standards, and I agree, if you have a fantastic file anyway compared to their underwriting standards it isn't going to matter, more likely in the borderline case. 

 

I don't think there's any full consistency in the forum posters stating, but I believe it's mostly any inquiry in the last two years as I often see (and use myself) qualification as to how many are in a scoreable range (w/in last year).  

 

I think if it's on the report, and if lenders can see it as they do for 2 years, then it's total inquiries on the report which does count from an underwriting perspective, and therefore should likely be the standard on this forum.  My opinion anyway.

 


Agreed, but I think 12 months has been what many have been going by?  Maybe I am wrong.  I was only looking at what impacted FICO scores but now I am trying to look at it from an underwriters prospective.  

 

That brings up another silly question....what about status detail comment?  When a customer disputes an account but it remains on the CR the disputed is noted.  What are opinions about that? Should/Would it be beneficial to request those comments to be removed? What value or harm do they offer???


Absolutely get them removed: you'll have to before a mortgage when using Desktop Underwriter, and it's likely other automated underwriting systems fail similarly.  Don't get kicked out on an application over something stupid like that in my opinion Smiley Happy.




        
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BluePoodle
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Re: When counting Hard Pull Inquires???


@Revelate wrote:

@BluePoodle wrote:

@Revelate wrote:

Fewer is always better, but having a bunch won't necessarily kick you out either: depends on underwriting standards, and I agree, if you have a fantastic file anyway compared to their underwriting standards it isn't going to matter, more likely in the borderline case. 

 

I don't think there's any full consistency in the forum posters stating, but I believe it's mostly any inquiry in the last two years as I often see (and use myself) qualification as to how many are in a scoreable range (w/in last year).  

 

I think if it's on the report, and if lenders can see it as they do for 2 years, then it's total inquiries on the report which does count from an underwriting perspective, and therefore should likely be the standard on this forum.  My opinion anyway.

 


Agreed, but I think 12 months has been what many have been going by?  Maybe I am wrong.  I was only looking at what impacted FICO scores but now I am trying to look at it from an underwriters prospective.  

 

That brings up another silly question....what about status detail comment?  When a customer disputes an account but it remains on the CR the disputed is noted.  What are opinions about that? Should/Would it be beneficial to request those comments to be removed? What value or harm do they offer???


Absolutely get them removed: you'll have to before a mortgage when using Desktop Underwriter, and it's likely other automated underwriting systems fail similarly.  Don't get kicked out on an application over something stupid like that in my opinion Smiley Happy.


I completely understand for mortgage why you would not want them there. Will having them removed affect FICO scores?

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