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Why PIF before the statement?

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pdxuser
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Why PIF before the statement?

People talk about how they PIF before the statement, but I don't understand how that's helpful. Won't that just put a bunch of zeroes on your CR, which just makes it look like you don't use your credit — responsibly or otherwise? Would it not be better to pay down to 1-9% util before the statement, then PIF right after?
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Miner
Frequent Contributor

Re: Why PIF before the statement?

I pay the full balance on my statement by its due date so that I don't pay any interest.  My balance is never $0 on my CR because I charge stuff on my card every month.  Even if I pay off what was on the old statement by its due date, a new balance will be on my new statement when it cuts and that will be reported.  Now if you don't charge stuff every month on one of your CCs then yes, it will report a $0 balance.

 

Now there may be times when you may want to overpay want is shown on your statement since you know that what you have charged since the statement cut will take your UTIL higher then you want.  For instance, say my last statement was $500 and it is 10% of my Util. and I have charged $1200 since that statement cut.  I then PIF, but my new statement will show $1200 and my CR will have 24% util.  But if I care about keeping my utilization down under 10%, I would have had to pay an extra $700 on top of the $500 before my new statement cuts so that the balance owed would remain $500.  I don't pay interest but the Util remains 10%.  This only makes sense if you need your score to stay low that month since you could have floated that extra $700 for a full month without interest.

 

 

Message Edited by Miner on 10-19-2008 04:19 PM
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Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Why PIF before the statement?

pdx,

 

FICO formulas penalize for having too many revolving accounts with balances. In most scoring buckets it is best to let a lone card report a 1-9 percent balance and the others report a 0 balance. It is good to use other cards but pay them off before the statement cuts, that way FICO will see you using all your credit cards but only having a small balance on one. Now if you have a decent score and you aren't applying for a loan in the next 2 months, there is no need to have only 1 account report, having half or under should be fine. If you need every last point, only 1 account reporting a 3 percent util or so should maximize your utility points.

 


@pdxuser wrote:
People talk about how they PIF before the statement, but I don't understand how that's helpful. Won't that just put a bunch of zeroes on your CR, which just makes it look like you don't use your credit — responsibly or otherwise? Would it not be better to pay down to 1-9% util before the statement, then PIF right after?

 

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pdxuser
Contributor

Re: Why PIF before the statement?

I'm having a heck of a time with the quoting, but a few points:
 - I get why you would want a zero balance on some but not all cards.
- Isn't using one card to pay another a bad thing -- robbing Peter to pay Paul?
 - How would FICO know you've used a card if there's a zero balance on it?
- Isn't a FICO score only affected by the util currently on the CR? How would it know last month's util if it can't see that (unless last month's util was the historic high util, which is recorded)? So if I want a loan in 3 months, can't I have whatever util I please this month, then 1% next month and no one would be the wiser?
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haulingthescoreup
Moderator Emerita

Re: Why PIF before the statement?


pdxuser wrote:
I'm having a heck of a time with the quoting, but a few points:
 - I get why you would want a zero balance on some but not all cards.
- Isn't using one card to pay another a bad thing -- robbing Peter to pay Paul?
 - How would FICO know you've used a card if there's a zero balance on it?
- Isn't a FICO score only affected by the util currently on the CR? How would it know last month's util if it can't see that (unless last month's util was the historic high util, which is recorded)? So if I want a loan in 3 months, can't I have whatever util I please this month, then 1% next month and no one would be the wiser?


- The more cards with $0 reported balances, the better, as long as one reports a balance. It's not just a question of util; it's also a question of how many accounts are reporting balances.

- Sorry, not sure which post the robbing Peter to pay Paul bit was responding to.

- It doesn't show on the consumer versions of our credit reports, but the CCC's do report every month whether the card was used or not. If your intracycle balance was the highest it's ever been, even if you've already paid it off, that figure will be posted in the "high balance" box.

- It's true that FICO doesn't track historical util, and technically you could have any util you wanted until a month before a major app. But those of us who have had to dispute reported balances to force CCC's to update our records, and those of us who have barked at the moon waiting for TU to update can tell you that you shouldn't expect that smooth and easy one-month turnaround. Smiley Wink Do your paydown several months ahead, just in case.
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GFer
Valued Contributor

Re: Why PIF before the statement?

"...those of us who have barked at the moon waiting for TU to update..."

 

...been howling for about 3 months now!



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pdxuser
Contributor

Re: Why PIF before the statement?

I misread about the robbing Peter part.

 

So as long as I charge something on each card each month, I can PIF immediately and have $0 balances on all my cards and be in good shape? Is it important that I use all my cards each month? Is a small balance on at least one card each month not any more helpful that a $0 balance?

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laz98
Senior Contributor

Re: Why PIF before the statement?


@Miner wrote:

I pay the full balance on my statement by its due date so that I don't pay any interest.  My balance is never $0 on my CR because I charge stuff on my card every month.  Even if I pay off what was on the old statement by its due date, a new balance will be on my new statement when it cuts and that will be reported.  Now if you don't charge stuff every month on one of your CCs then yes, it will report a $0 balance.

 

Now there may be times when you may want to overpay want is shown on your statement since you know that what you have charged since the statement cut will take your UTIL higher then you want.  For instance, say my last statement was $500 and it is 10% of my Util. and I have charged $1200 since that statement cut.  I then PIF, but my new statement will show $1200 and my CR will have 24% util.  But if I care about keeping my utilization down under 10%, I would have had to pay an extra $700 on top of the $500 before my new statement cuts so that the balance owed would remain $500.  I don't pay interest but the Util remains 10%.  This only makes sense if you need your score to stay low that month since you could have floated that extra $700 for a full month without interest.

 

 

Message Edited by Miner on 10-19-2008 04:19 PM

i have no idea what any of this means!  can you please dumb it down for me?  thank you!!!

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Anonymous
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Re: Why PIF before the statement?

pdxuser--are you checking your balances online?  You can see the amounts before the statement cuts and you can see the statement date.  So make your payment a couple of days before the statement is due to be sent to cras and it will show 0 balance but it will also show that you have used your card and the amount of the last payment.  Leaving a small balance on one card seems to be the best for scoring.  It really is a game.
Message Edited by casinoannie97 on 10-20-2008 03:41 AM
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plasticguy
Established Contributor

Re: Why PIF before the statement?

Common sense: Look at your Fico Report. On it you will see the last activity date on the card. So if you PIF , for example In October , the balance will say 0 but last activity will be October, thus card is being used and not in danger of closure due to non usage. That how my scores got to where they are. Fico also claims that you should have no more than 3 balances. Therefore , I only let 3 report/revolve
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