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@bs6054 wrote:
@djrez4 wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:I believe the BoA Travel Rewards or even Penfed Amex are better IMO.
BoA has 1.5% cash back in form of travel reimbursement, with no annual fee, and no FTF.
Penfed AMEX also is no annual fee, 5% on airfare, and no FTF.
I'm just a big believer in no annual fee cards, at least not keeping annual fee cards around enough to receive a fee.
Here's something I posted in another thread about the value of a CSP -
To give you an example of my most recent redemption, I used a combination of United Miles and UR points to book plane tickets to Europe. The cash price would have been around $3000, give or take. Let's just say I used all UR points - 120k of them. That's a value of 2.5 cents per point. If I'm getting 2 points per dollar at a restaurant, that's 5 cents per dollar.
I get that same 5 cents per dollar on all travel expenses, including airfare (what's up Penfed?). And that's a relatively weak redemption. How about redeeming 200k UR points for two business class tickets? That's a $10,000 in airfare. I get 5 cents of value per point - 10 cents per dollar at restaurants and for travel expenses.
There are also UR Mall bonuses, like 6 extra points per dollar for Backcountry.com, my favorite online retailer. Those purchases net me 17.5 cents per dollar spent (2.5 cents per point x 7 points per dollar).
Toss in the extra 7% dividend on points. Throw in the Freedom categories. Add in the Ink cards. Ultimate rewards is the most flexible, powerful rewards program out there right now and CSP is the nexus of it.
Seriously? Penfed? Bank of America? Not even in the same league.
Usual question: would you have spent the $10K on those biz class tickets (i.e, you are about to buy them, and then realize you can use UR instead)? If not, it's harder to assign a "real" value to the redemption.
All the major cards have malls of varying quality, I just bought ink using my Barclays Reward from 123Inkjet, with a bonus of 17 points per $1 + the normal 2 points per $, so *I* got 19 cents per $!
But we agree that CSP is a good card for frequent travelers, in the same way that PenFed is a great card for those with huge gas consumption, or Cash Plus with heavy spend in some 5% categories. No need to use phrases like "Not even in the same league"
Would I have spent $10k? No. That's why I play the points game - so I can travel beyond my means. But someone is paying full fare for those.
Also, Duncan, where can I get a card made out of Spock?
@Duncanrr wrote:
It's invite only.
Referrals?
So I have to have a checking account and a couple of cards to achieve all of that? Or just a few cards.
The combination of checking, CSP and Freedom is no longer available in its full benefit to new customers. But Freedom+CSP alone are still fairly powerful
A few Observations from my experience with using credit cards.
1. All things being equal, for the initial $10k - $12k in spending, the maximum return is to cycle sign up bonuses. For instance, sign up for a 50K ($500) bonus, and spend the $3k. Then, sign up for another similar sign up bonus, and spend another $3K. Rinse and repeat for the entire year, or until all sign up bonuses are exhausted. This will maximize the return on the initial $10K spending—irrespective of whether or no annual fees are waived. Of course, start with the highest sign up bonus for waived annual fees, then progress to the fee ones.
2. When no longer eligible for sign up bonuses, if spending is around $10K - $15K, then go with no annual fee cash rewards cards with rotating and specialized categories. With the level of spending, fees make no sense, and caps aren’t an issue.
3. If spending above $20K, then look for annual free travel rewards cards.
To me, it’s that simple.
CSP, SPG, or a variety of other annual fee cards are a tremendous value if one spends in excess of $15k - $20k, but make little sense for one who spends only $10K. The latter will never recoup the cost of annual fee, let alone reap any benefit from expenditures.
For $10K spending (say, 2% Fidelity no fee Amex), we’re talking about $200 bucks. In my view, doesn’t really matter what rewards you have, the cash back will be approximately $200 bucks give or take.
Makes no sense to pay an annual fee for $200 bucks. So, pretty cut and dry that no fee cash rewards cards are the best option for low levels of spending.
In the end, for $10K spending, we're talking about $200 in rewards. Some people tip more than that in a single dinner. Low spending, forget about rotating categories, or 2% here and 5% there, just rotate sign up bonuses if you can. At least, this way you'll gather a few thousand.
PS - Four $500 sign up bonuses (plenty of them last year) will net $2,000. You'd have to spend $100,000 on the 2% Fidelity Amex to receive $2,000 cash back. Think about that for one second.
@Duncanrr wrote:
I don't get how you can rotate signup bonuses? Are you making a string of new accounts?
Basically, instead of staying loyal to a single card, allocating what you normally spend to fulfill spending requirements for sign up bonuses.
@Open123 wrote:
@Duncanrr wrote:
I don't get how you can rotate signup bonuses? Are you making a string of new accounts?Basically, instead of staying loyal to a single card, allocating what you normally spend to fulfill spending requirements for sign up bonuses.
But the answer to Duncanrr is also "Yes". You apply for new cards with sign-up bonuses, spend the required amount, and then apply for another. So you create new accounts, but Open123 was referring to say 4 good bonuses a year, well within the app-o-mania of some we see here.