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Will applying for a second card make my report look better?

There are multiple parts to my question, so any input to any part is greatly appreciated!


Background info:
I'm 22, a student, got my first line of credit last May (Discover it. Just got a 2500 CLI!), and my score is ~740.

1) I was recommended to get a second card by a friend. Apparently, it looks better to have more than one card?
2) If I go ahead and get a second card, wouldn't it improve my average age of credit in the long run? How much does that help?
3) Is Amex Blue Everyday card a good one to apply for? Do certain cards look better to lenders?
4) I already have 3 inquiries (one falls off in 2 months; the others in a year). Is it a bad idea to apply with that many?

***5) Apparently I forgot that I applied and got denied for an Amex card in September of last year.... Is it a bad idea to reapply? At the time I had a mid 600 score.

 

I personally believe I'm overthinking this and should either just apply or not apply and move on. I'm just one of those people I guess... ha

 

Thanks for any help!

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inthewoods
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Re: Will applying for a second card make my report look better?


@Anonymous wrote:

There are multiple parts to my question, so any input to any part is greatly appreciated!


Background info:
I'm 22, a student, got my first line of credit last May (Discover it. Just got a 2500 CLI!), and my score is ~740.

1) I was recommended to get a second card by a friend. Apparently, it looks better to have more than one card?
2) If I go ahead and get a second card, wouldn't it improve my average age of credit in the long run? How much does that help?
3) Is Amex Blue Everyday card a good one to apply for? Do certain cards look better to lenders?
4) I already have 3 inquiries (one falls off in 2 months; the others in a year). Is it a bad idea to apply with that many?

***5) Apparently I forgot that I applied and got denied for an Amex card in September of last year.... Is it a bad idea to reapply? At the time I had a mid 600 score.

 

I personally believe I'm overthinking this and should either just apply or not apply and move on. I'm just one of those people I guess... ha

 

Thanks for any help!


1) Yes.

2) Yes, in the long run it improves it. Age of credit is an important part of credit scoring.

3) Yes, it’s a good card. For scoring purposes, the brand of the card doesn’t matter (only credit line, etc) but some people believe that manual underwriters will prefer prime lenders such as American Express. Amex is a good choice if your credit score can support it, and it sounds like you have a good shot.

4) No, I wouldn’t worry about that, unless they are very recent. Is that 3 inqs across all agencies, 3 for each, or 3 for a single one and nothing with the others?

5) As long as it has been 6 months you should be fine, especially since your credit has improved a lot since.

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inthewoods
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Re: Will applying for a second card make my report look better?

Oh, one more thing: Amex will care about your income. It doesn’t have to be huge but it can’t be tiny either.

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B335is
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Re: Will applying for a second card make my report look better?

Your Discover card is a year old, I think if you want to add a card or two that could be useful. I had Amex Blue Cash Everyday as it was my goal card at one time. I closed it after a couple of years because when it came down to it, didn't use it as much as I thought I would. Amex is nice because they can be quite generous and once you're a Member, will only hard pull your credit report for subsequent approvals. Have you checked the Amex pre qualifier? What is your Discover limit? Other lenders will take existing limits into consideration, but not so much Amex.

Amex hasn't been too concerned about inquiries and even if it's 3 across all reports, that's not much. They've aged and even the most sensitive lenders probably wouldn't be too concerned about it.
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Anonymous
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Re: Will applying for a second card make my report look better?


@inthewoods wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

There are multiple parts to my question, so any input to any part is greatly appreciated!


Background info:
I'm 22, a student, got my first line of credit last May (Discover it. Just got a 2500 CLI!), and my score is ~740.

1) I was recommended to get a second card by a friend. Apparently, it looks better to have more than one card?
2) If I go ahead and get a second card, wouldn't it improve my average age of credit in the long run? How much does that help?
3) Is Amex Blue Everyday card a good one to apply for? Do certain cards look better to lenders?
4) I already have 3 inquiries (one falls off in 2 months; the others in a year). Is it a bad idea to apply with that many?

***5) Apparently I forgot that I applied and got denied for an Amex card in September of last year.... Is it a bad idea to reapply? At the time I had a mid 600 score.

 

I personally believe I'm overthinking this and should either just apply or not apply and move on. I'm just one of those people I guess... ha

 

Thanks for any help!


1) Yes.

2) Yes, in the long run it improves it. Age of credit is an important part of credit scoring.

3) Yes, it’s a good card. For scoring purposes, the brand of the card doesn’t matter (only credit line, etc) but some people believe that manual underwriters will prefer prime lenders such as American Express. Amex is a good choice if your credit score can support it, and it sounds like you have a good shot.

4) No, I wouldn’t worry about that, unless they are very recent. Is that 3 inqs across all agencies, 3 for each, or 3 for a single one and nothing with the others?

5) As long as it has been 6 months you should be fine, especially since your credit has improved a lot since.


I think the answer to 2) needs more explanation!

 

Obviously, adding a second card immediately halves the AAoA.   If you never get any more cards, the AAoA is always higher with one than with two.   The advantage comes when considering the impact of adding subsequent cards later on, adding a brand new card to an account with say 8 existing cards causes much less damage than adding it to an account with two.   But again, if you don't plan to keep adding cards, AAoA is highest with just one.

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Santi78342
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Re: Will applying for a second card make my report look better?

Your score(s) are great, your INQs are great, you've got a year under your belt, you've already got a decent credit line with Discover, at this point, you can pretty much pick and choose two cards you really like and will most likely get approved. 

 

You need to have at least 3 cards for maximum FICO scoring purposes so I suggest adding two more now and then in 6 months to a year, you can add more if you'd like.

 

It would be nice to know your income, but if it's at least $15-$20k your be alright for cards like the BCE or Everyday, Sallie Mae, QuickSilver, Freedom, etc.

 

If you would like a more in depth analysis on what cards we think would suit your needs, we need to know how much you spend on stuff per month. Are you a big gas spender, grocery spender, restaurant/fast food spender, etc?

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Anonymous
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Re: Will applying for a second card make my report look better?


@Anonymous wrote:

There are multiple parts to my question, so any input to any part is greatly appreciated!


Background info:
I'm 22, a student, got my first line of credit last May (Discover it. Just got a 2500 CLI!), and my score is ~740.

1) I was recommended to get a second card by a friend. Apparently, it looks better to have more than one card?
2) If I go ahead and get a second card, wouldn't it improve my average age of credit in the long run? How much does that help?
3) Is Amex Blue Everyday card a good one to apply for? Do certain cards look better to lenders?
4) I already have 3 inquiries (one falls off in 2 months; the others in a year). Is it a bad idea to apply with that many?

***5) Apparently I forgot that I applied and got denied for an Amex card in September of last year.... Is it a bad idea to reapply? At the time I had a mid 600 score.

 

I personally believe I'm overthinking this and should either just apply or not apply and move on. I'm just one of those people I guess... ha

 

Thanks for any help!


1) The general consensus is that three cards is ideal. Aside from your credit score, it is benefiical to have a secondary card in case something goes wrong with the first one. Card networks do go down periodically, and sometimes the issuers have technical glitches as well.

2) It will decrease your AAoA. Assuming that you never open or close another card or loan, your AAoA will be lower than it would have been without the second card. However, the added tradeline will help to mitigate the effects of any new lines of credit that you get afterwards. Presumptively, you will get other cards, or need to finance a car or house at some point in the future.

3) If the rewards structure fits your spend, then the card could be good for you. As you are a college student, I would apply for the Barclaycard Sallie Mae, since it gives 5% back on groceries and Amazon (on the first $250 and $750 of spend, respectively). UPromise might also be helpful, depending on your spend. There is no difference between cards to the lenders

4) 3 inqs probably won't affect you. There are many people here with many, many more inqs (40+), but those people have thicker files. I don't know the affect given how thin your file is. It will also depend on how old the inqs are. 

6) It has been more than 6 months since you applied. You should be ifne to apply again. 

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Anonymous
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Re: Will applying for a second card make my report look better?


@Anonymous wrote:

There are multiple parts to my question, so any input to any part is greatly appreciated!


I'm 22, a student, got my first line of credit last May (Discover it. Just got a 2500 CLI!), and my score is ~740.

 


If I were 22 again, you know what I would do?  I would go out and get 22 credit cards and kill my "AAoA" down to nothing and drop your score from 740 all the way down to 650.  

 

Forget that your score is 740.  740 is for sissies, go for 850.  In order to get to 800+, you can go at it slow and steady for the next 10 years or you can do it by breaking your score and rushing to 5 years. 

 

In the world of lending, I have found:

1) Quantity > Quality

2) Quantity > AAoA

 

People always remember that you get bonus points for AAoA but always forget you also get points for Number of positive tradelines.

 

At 22 you have the rare chance to have some awesome credit that will serve you for a lifetime.

 

1) Before you apply for any "real" cards, go crazy on the SHOPPING CART TRICK.  Pick up 20 of them from the biggest brands (Victorias, Overstock, Express, Serta, Eddie Bauer, Ann Taylor, Venus, Sportsman's Guide).  Make sure you use the trick to save your Inquiries.  Make absolutely sure the "trick" is working, don't come back crying about 20 new hard inquiries...they should all be soft inquiries.

 

2) Get some more "Lifetime Keepers".  You have the Discover, add a few more big name banks that probably won't go out of Business:  Get the cards but only use them like once a year to keep them alive.  Do not forget to pay them off.

 

Get 2X AMEX (1x Charge Card and 1x revolver  like BCE).  Always apply for 2x AMEX at the same time as long as you can get the Annual Fee waived first year offers.  Close the charge card before the next annual fee hits.  The idea is to get 2 tradelines for 1 HP

 

Also consider getting a card like Sallie Mae, Chase Freedom, BofA BBR

 

3) Wrap things up with a CapOne Venture, CapOne Quicksilver, Walmart, Lowes, CareCredit, 

 

You should end up with 20+ cards.

 

I am not saying you should use 20 cards, just get those tradelines onto your credit report and then forget about them.  

 

Use only ONE card of the bunch and pay it responsibly...the other Prime cards, use once a year so they don't close the account. If the store cards/shopping trick cards close by themselves, so be it, they've done their job.  Once on your report, you can expect those positive tradelines to add to your credit scores for approximately 12 years or more (depending on how quickly the store cards auto-close for non-usage).  With those Shopping Cart trick cards, you basically get 12 years of positive credit without costing a Hard inquiry. .

 

After acquiring all those cards, forget about credit and concentrate on your schooling.  Your credit will build itself in the background.  Your credit will take a massive dump for the next year, but you are in school and shouldn't be using your credit anyways.

 

Down the line, you'll probably buy/lease a car (or two) giving you points for "Installment loans"

 

When you are 30 and decide to buy a house, your credit file will be thick and you'll be saying 'Damn, that CreditFlunky guy got me close to a 850 score"

 

With this plan, in 8 years you will have most of the FICO "bonus" points for :

 

1) Quantity

2) Quality

3) AAoA

4) Credit Mix

5) Mature accounts

 

The major bonus is you will never again have to worry about AAoA "hits" when adding new accounts.  With so many accounts to start with, every time you add a new account, you will barely lose anything on AAoA because that's just how averages work.

 

Right now, you only have a 1 year AAoA...as soon as you add another 1 card, you drop to 6 months AAoA.  What's 6 months worth to you?  Do it my way and you will go to 0 months AAoA but in 1 year, nothing will ever be able to drop your AAoA again no matter how many cards you get.

 

You can Bite the bullet now and rush to an 850 score or you can do it slowly like a timid mouse and later cry about "Oh I don't want to add another account because it will drop my AAoA in half because I only have 1 credit card".  Smiley Happy

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Anonymous
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Re: Will applying for a second card make my report look better?


@inthewoods wrote:

1) Yes.

2) Yes, in the long run it improves it. Age of credit is an important part of credit scoring.

3) Yes, it’s a good card. For scoring purposes, the brand of the card doesn’t matter (only credit line, etc) but some people believe that manual underwriters will prefer prime lenders such as American Express. Amex is a good choice if your credit score can support it, and it sounds like you have a good shot.

4) No, I wouldn’t worry about that, unless they are very recent. Is that 3 inqs across all agencies, 3 for each, or 3 for a single one and nothing with the others?

5) As long as it has been 6 months you should be fine, especially since your credit has improved a lot since.



Each report shows three. Thanks the the response! I think I'm going to go for it.. Reviews seem to show that people like Amex Blue, and the $100 intro rewards is appealing (plus te card looks coolSmiley Very Happy)

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Anonymous
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Re: Will applying for a second card make my report look better?


@Santi78342 wrote:

Your score(s) are great, your INQs are great, you've got a year under your belt, you've already got a decent credit line with Discover, at this point, you can pretty much pick and choose two cards you really like and will most likely get approved. 

 

You need to have at least 3 cards for maximum FICO scoring purposes so I suggest adding two more now and then in 6 months to a year, you can add more if you'd like.

 

It would be nice to know your income, but if it's at least $15-$20k your be alright for cards like the BCE or Everyday, Sallie Mae, QuickSilver, Freedom, etc.

 

If you would like a more in depth analysis on what cards we think would suit your needs, we need to know how much you spend on stuff per month. Are you a big gas spender, grocery spender, restaurant/fast food spender, etc?


Thank yall for awesome responses! My income from 2014 was 15k, but on top of that I live with my parents who pay me back for groceries and some tuition. This year I'm transferring to a private college that's 10k a semester. I talked with Amex about what to put for my income and they said that since that tuition money crosses my account, I should add that to my 15k income for a total of 35k. (I sure hope the IRS doesn't come kicking in my door wanting more tax money!)

 

My current credit line with Discover is 3750, which is almost enough to charge each tuition payment (and rack up the points!). If I get denied for Amex, will calling and telling them that plan make them more likely to reconsider me with a higher limit so that I could do that with their card instead of Discover?

 

Also, most of my money spent is at grocery stores and gas stations (school is a 30min commute in a Jeep and work is 20!). So that makes Everyday the perfect card [that I've noticed] for my spending habits 

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