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do chase UR points expire?

I've had them for years but didn't know if there was an expiration date.  Thanks.

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Anonymous
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@Anonymous wrote:

I've had them for years but didn't know if there was an expiration date.  Thanks.


They don't expire but a rule of thumb is not to just have them sitting there incase Chase decides to take some sort of action against your account.  You are best transferring it to an airline account if you have one..

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I have a SP and I'm not aware that the points ever expire, as long as your account is active and in good standing. 

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bz386
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Re: do chase UR points expire?

That is bad advice. Most miles (for example United) actually do expire while UR points don't. Also, miles are regularly devalued. Keeping the UR points gives you the flexibility to transfer them to a travel partner that gives you the best value. Still, it is recommended not to sit on any kind of point currency for too long.
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@bz386 wrote:
That is bad advice. Most miles (for example United) actually do expire while UR points don't. Also, miles are regularly devalued. Keeping the UR points gives you the flexibility to transfer them to a travel partner that gives you the best value. Still, it is recommended not to sit on any kind of point currency for too long.

Yes, both ideas (keep as URs, but not too long) lead to the "earn&burn" approach, i.e. frequently redeem for actual trips.   While it's appealing to save up for the dream trip, the reality is that if it is too far away, you may never get there, as you will need more and more miles as the airlines devalue

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@Anonymous wrote:

@bz386 wrote:
That is bad advice. Most miles (for example United) actually do expire while UR points don't. Also, miles are regularly devalued. Keeping the UR points gives you the flexibility to transfer them to a travel partner that gives you the best value. Still, it is recommended not to sit on any kind of point currency for too long.

Yes, both ideas (keep as URs, but not too long) lead to the "earn&burn" approach, i.e. frequently redeem for actual trips.   While it's appealing to save up for the dream trip, the reality is that if it is too far away, you may never get there, as you will need more and more miles as the airlines devalue


Why would the airlines de-value the point if they are sitting in your UR account? I could imagine that may be the case if they are transferred over well before a trip, but not in the UR account. I guess I'm confused since I've never seen this phantom de-valuation that everyone is referring to. 

-Cheers

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@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@bz386 wrote:
That is bad advice. Most miles (for example United) actually do expire while UR points don't. Also, miles are regularly devalued. Keeping the UR points gives you the flexibility to transfer them to a travel partner that gives you the best value. Still, it is recommended not to sit on any kind of point currency for too long.

Yes, both ideas (keep as URs, but not too long) lead to the "earn&burn" approach, i.e. frequently redeem for actual trips.   While it's appealing to save up for the dream trip, the reality is that if it is too far away, you may never get there, as you will need more and more miles as the airlines devalue


Why would the airlines de-value the point if they are sitting in your UR account? I could imagine that may be the case if they are transferred over well before a trip, but not in the UR account. I guess I'm confused since I've never seen this phantom de-valuation that everyone is referring to. 

-Cheers


The airline points are devalued as awards "cost" more, i.e. an award that used to take say 60K United miles now takes 80K.   So the UR sitting in your account can still be exchanged 1 for 1 wiith United Miles, but the mile is now worth less.   And as all partners eventually do this, it's reasonable to say that the UR is also worth less.

 

In the dim distant past, the only way to get frequent flier miles was to fly.  Itn effect, this was similar to "Fly X flights and the next one is free".   Miles were relatively scarce and thus had value.  Then they slowly added other things (such as 500 miles for a hotel stay etc) but once credit cards with bonuses became common place, there are simply too many miles out there

 

Nothing phantom about it!

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bz386
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Re: do chase UR points expire?

Points transfer to travel partners on a 1:1 ratio. Airlines keep increasing the number of miles you need to redeem for flights. If a flight costs 10000 miles today and 12000 miles a year from now (hypothetical example), you have to spend 20% more UR points to get that same flight a year later.
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@bz386 wrote:
Points transfer to travel partners on a 1:1 ratio. Airlines keep increasing the number of miles you need to redeem for flights. If a flight costs 10000 miles today and 12000 miles a year from now (hypothetical example), you have to spend 20% more UR points to get that same flight a year later.

So then the premise that your points are worth less isn't accurate. It's that the carriers are increasing the required points which is causing an issue. So if they're 1:1 your points are worth the same, just carriers charge more. 

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@bz386 wrote:
Points transfer to travel partners on a 1:1 ratio. Airlines keep increasing the number of miles you need to redeem for flights. If a flight costs 10000 miles today and 12000 miles a year from now (hypothetical example), you have to spend 20% more UR points to get that same flight a year later.

So then the premise that your points are worth less isn't accurate. It's that the carriers are increasing the required points which is causing an issue. So if they're 1:1 your points are worth the same, just carriers charge more. 


That is a distinction without meaning.    In that sense, there is no inflation, a dollar is worth a dollar, it's just that merchants charge more.

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